I got this werd plane thrugh a toolbuy I won and it was in the bottom of the box when it arived
I have looked trugh several handplanebooks and internet site´s and can´t find the answer is it a plane
used to make windows , doors , cabinets , box´s or is it simply a very sophisticated form for
toe-nail cleaner and cutter.
and how is it used
here is some pictures from different angles
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I wuold realy preciate all the help you can give me on this type of tool
Dennis
Interesting tool. Looks to me like a homemade scratch stock. I am thinking someone used this to put a decorative edge on a board. Traditionally, they would use different shaped irons to create different profiles like one would use an edge router bit for today.
Maybe to make dados? I know back in the 1700s they certainly didnt have table saws… and I am sure someone would have come up with something like that, rather than chiseling the dados…
I'm thinking it's a coping plane of some sort. How long is it? what is the width of the groove it cuts? Were there sash or stair building/hand railing tools in the tool chest?
Dennis I have seen something like this a long time ago an old carpenter Jack McMaster had a box of really interesting planes & there was a matched pair of them that were similar they had 2 blades and were used for cutting rule joints on the edge of a drop leaf table one blade cut the cove the other cut the quirk,it may be half of a pair but I could be wrong
Trevor
lwllms : I sorry I have forgot to messure the planes lenght I will do that later in the morning
but the grove it cuts is only about 1½ to 2 mm wide but I will verifir it also
but whats wonder me is that it cut the grove and then cut the arch/cove on the wooden side
of the plane and the next you meet is a fixt iron debt stop /sole on the wooden site
and nothing speciel in the box as I remember a jointer plane , a plovplane, but I will tjeck the last few of them
still have the box seperated from the other stuf
David : I don´t think its a homemade scratch tool it look like there most have been more than a few
that have been made during the time
thank you all for looking by and comment with some interressting proporsals
but I lean more to a sash or door tool instead of a dropleaf on a table i have seen thoose planes
and they don´t have a plovthing build in
but then again its only a wild gess from me
I will make the update picture tommorrow with a ruler beside it so you can see it in inches and mm
maybe a coving plane
the thin pointed one
cuts a clean edge down
and then the curved one can have a 'rabbet' to work in
making a cove on the side of the curved one
as you go deeper and over more
the adjustments need to be done
to each of the irons
to get to final depth and size
hence the adjustment thumb screws
as a toenail clipper
practice on someone else's toes lol
I agree with the others that said rule joint. The interesting thing about it is that the flat metal face would ride along a flat surface (like the benchtop) and cut the joint on a board also laid flat on the workbench. That way it assures that the resulting joint (and one cut by its mate wherever that is) would end up flat when fit together.
I don't think it would work as a rule joint plane for a couple reasons. Rule joint planes absolutely must register off the back of the table top and there needs to be a fillet at the table top for a clean joint. They register off the back because that's the side the hinge is on and hing pin placement is critical for the joint to work properly. The other reason is that rule joints have 90º of arc and that arc must be part of a circle. I don't see enough curvature in the iron for a rule joint. Having been involved in designing and making rule joint planes, I would eliminate rule joints from the possibilities.
I've been thinking about it and I can't think of a hand railing use for that plane. I think sash work is the most likely answer but it could also have some use in carriage building.
It looks like it's made to register like the third and fourth pictures, like an old style flush cut saw. Then cut in a groove and cove to a fixed depth.
Definitely for a specific profile in a specific place, and used hard enough justify iron "boxing". You might contact some fine tool experts for their opinions. I'd love to hear the answer!
Dennis can you verify the angle on that curved iron? It it a full 90 degrees of curve?
lwllms you said one requirement for a rule joint plane would be it must register off the back of the tabletop. If both this plane and the board for the drip wing of the tabletop were registered against the flat surface of a bench, wouldn't it satisfy that requirement? You also said it needs a fillet at the top. Wouldn't the fillet just be created by what was left from the previously jointed edge on the board. It looks like the iron fence closest to the wingnuts would run contact the jointed edge of the board.
Here is the way I am envisioning it with a bit of imaginary scrap wood to see the profile.
Swirt : as you can see from the pictures of the blade it cuts in the full arch but I´m going in the shop
in a ½ hour time to take pictures I will see if my wife´s digital can get closer to take the picture
I´m not familaire to this digital age thing ….LOL
I was looking at 2 similar to the one you have pictured last week in an antique shop. I bought another plane and was thinking about buying this one just because it was a cool old tool. The one like this was marked as a sill plane and I was told it was to shape the window sill.
lwllms : here is some new pictures
and the plovskate is 2,55 mm wide (1/10 of an inch) and the ploviron is 2,8 mm wide
all : after a little dry cleaning I found a few letters saying AHOBEL and UREN and what I gess is the size 1½
my gess is that the plane is made in Germany if that can help
and here is what there was in the box and has been used by the same carpenter in the older times
the only speciel I can see is the unusal saw and the molding plane and the little round compasplane
the scrubplane is a narrow one compared to the other I have
all the other tool he had is gone but I don´t know nothing about it and him
Looks like a great collection of new … errr.. old tools. Those stair saws can be pretty handy.
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