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My wife & I started keeping bees this year. We joined the local beekeepers’ association which offers classes and workshops. During one of the workshops I noticed this odd looking beehive so I asked about it. It was a double hive called a Kirkhoff hive. Seems they’re quite popular among certain beekeepers but the company went out of business about 10 years ago, right around the time the patent ran out. I commented to the host that I should make myself one. He said “you can make one of these?” I said “sure, I’ve got a full carpenter shop”. He said “If you can make these, I’ll buy 10 right now!”.

I’m delivering the last parts to the first 2 hives today and he wants the other 8 by January.

Also, it seems backyard beekeeping has gotten so popular over the last few years, the hive manufacturers are completely swamped and can’t keep up. Looks like I’m now in the beehive manufacturing business, building modified Kirkoff hives.

For those of you who are not familiar with beehives, the second picture is the type that is normally used. I didn’t build that one.

-- Michael R. Harvey - Brewster, NY - RusticElementArt.com - SpaceAware.org - AnConn.com


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ChasHutch

49 posts in 252 days


posted 88 days ago

Sounds like you may have found a niche!

-- Hutch - North Dallas, Tx - Safety First

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Mark Shymanski

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posted 88 days ago

Many years ago my faily kept bees. We used the ‘regular kind of hives’. Success on your new found niche!

-- ....next big purchase is wood for the next project, Mark

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Samel A. Livingstone

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posted 88 days ago

The hive looks interesting. Are those handles on the side,r bee entrances or air vents?IS the lower part of the hive divided vertically. I would like to know are the differences from it to regular hives.

Very pretty hive!

Sam Livingstone

-- Sam, upstate

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SCOTSMAN

539 posts in 122 days


posted 88 days ago

That looks like a professional job . I like the look of it.I don’t know much about beehives but I have a dear friend of mine August from Germany who is an avid bee man, he has even written books about it.I never realised until he and his family visited me recently after 25 years apart that bee’s make different tasting honey according to what fields they are allowed to fly around .yes a very different taste from sharp to very mild which I prefer.Good luck with your new hobby and much fun with the hive making ecuse typing.P S My wife told me today due to a poor climate this year we are about to have massive shortage of honey this year have you heard about this or perhaps it’s just within Europe?? Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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brunob

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posted 87 days ago

Looks like a winner to me.

-- Bruce from Central New York

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RusticElements

141 posts in 263 days


posted 87 days ago

Samel: yes, there are handles on each box. The round holes are doors that can be closed. There are also ventilation shafts inside that aid in cooling in the summer and keeping the inside dry in the winter (humidity is a problem in the winter). When this hive was first invented, and still when the factory closed, there was not the same mite problem as there is now. So the original Kirkhoff hive didn’t have a screened bottom board, which is used to inspect for and remove mites. This one does.

Yes, the lower section is divided vertically. There are 6 separate lower brood chambers (hatchery) in 2 sets of three. These 2 sets allow for 2 separate hives each with it’s own queen. On top of the brood chambers is a queen excluder which allows the workers to travel vertically but not the queen (the queen is bigger than the others). Above that are common honey supers (boxes). The whole arrangement allows the workers from both hives to have access to the supers, where the 2 hives actually mix, but doesn’t allow the queens to get at each other. Usually, one queen will kill the other unless separated. This seems to set up a competition between the 2 hives. Where normally you would harvest ~60 pounds of honey from a single hive, with a 2 queen hive you can normally get 140 pounds or more instead of 120 as with 2 separate hives.

The primary difference though, is the ventilation. It helps the bees winter over better and you end up with a stronger hive come spring, which, in turn, gives the hive a head start.

Scotsman: yes, honey can taste very different depending on where the bees get the nectar from. And weather can have a dramatic effect on honey harvest since the weather affects how well the plants do (how much they flower) and the bees depend on the flowers. Sick plants, either from a drought or from too much rain, don’t flower as much.

-- Michael R. Harvey - Brewster, NY - RusticElementArt.com - SpaceAware.org - AnConn.com

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Beginningwoodworker

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posted 87 days ago

Thats real nice.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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DocK16

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posted 87 days ago

I’ve been an avid beekeeper for several years (and build all my own supers and hive bodies) but I have never seen this type of split setup. How many supers do you leave on over winter.? Are these bottom split supers medium or full deep supers? I would appreciate any other information/plans/measurements you have on this split body design I may try this next season.
http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/DocK16/blog/1525

-- DocK, WV

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BeechPilotBarry

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posted 87 days ago

Nice job on the “falling in!”

Hope you sell a million.

-- - Real men read directions

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socalwood

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posted 87 days ago

very nice! do you know where i can get some simple hive plans? i donate a lot of wood to local schools and am always looking for projects the kids might build that will help society and give them training. thanks

-- rob

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Dadoo

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posted 87 days ago

Amazing. My stepson raises bees and I’d bet he’d wet his pants over these. Any chance of finding plans/specs?

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!

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Jason

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posted 87 days ago

Awesome. Congratulations.

-- Jason

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ChicoWoodnut

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posted 87 days ago

Sweeeet!

Ha!

-- Scott - Chico California http://chicowoodnut.home.comcast.net

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RAH

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posted 87 days ago

This project should keep you buzzing for awhile. Sorry Nice hives.

-- Ron Central, CA

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NedB

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posted 87 days ago

Sweet project! had to do it, sorry. very nice, and congrats on the order for 10, hope you enjoy the project!

-- Ned - 2B1ASK1 http://nedswoodshop.blogspot.com

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RusticElements

141 posts in 263 days


posted 87 days ago

Thanks for all the interest guys. Unfortunately, I’m one of those nightmare woodworkers who keeps everything in his head and never writes anything down. So I can’t give you plans. I guess I should make up some plans one of these days.

I couldn’t find any info on the web about this hive other than the original patent and the updated patent . These aren’t very helpful but I managed to borrow a super from the guy I’m selling to and got some of the measurements from that. The local dealer has a complete hive in his store (not for sale) so I took it apart in the store and took several pictures. Then I took the fact that this hive uses standard frames inside, added a few touches of my own and extrapolated the rest.

For plans for a standard (Langstroth) beehive can be found here, here and here. As you can see, I had to do a lot of research for this project.

-- Michael R. Harvey - Brewster, NY - RusticElementArt.com - SpaceAware.org - AnConn.com

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trifern

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posted 87 days ago

That is one honey of a project. Thanks for sharing.

-- My favorite piece is my last one, my best piece is my next one.

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clieb91

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posted 87 days ago

Thanks for the post, I am going to ask our local beekeeper if she has ever heard of this type of hive. We had a problem last winter and lost two of the hives in the garden where I work.
Good look in your new niche.

CtL

-- Chris L. "Don't Dream it, Be it."

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TroutGuy

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posted 87 days ago

Very interesting project. Nicely done too!

Add me to the list of those who would like to have plans.

-- There is nothing in the world more dangerous, than a woodworker who knows how to read a micrometer...

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SteveKorz

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posted 87 days ago

That is pretty cool… I like it how you stumbled into it, I hope you make more money than you can spend…

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17)

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Buzzard

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posted 87 days ago

Wow! I’ll bet your workshop is a hive of activity! Well, it’s no worse than the other guys’! Please add me to the plan seekers list!

BUZZard

-- What am I making? Who said I am making anything?

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woodyone

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posted 87 days ago

Very nice, Congratulations.

Woody.

-- Woody, UK

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MsDebbieP

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posted 87 days ago

very impressive!
congrats on your “new business”.

-- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

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thetimberkid

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posted 86 days ago

Great job!

Thanks for the post

Callum

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jockmike2

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posted 86 days ago

I have a friend that lives up north and raises bees, (Houghton Lake) so of course they also have a bear problem as well. The Michigan DNR has given them permisson to shoot the bears if they come to close to their house as they have young kids and animals. The DNR has also set up traps to try and live trap the animals rather than have them killed.

-- Mike. Profisher50@yahoo.com

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woodworm

1145 posts in 128 days


posted 86 days ago

Very good business.
Beside honey, beeswax is also useful to woodworkers like us.

-- Regards, Woodworm

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Grumpy

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posted 85 days ago

Mike, a very important role you are playing there. Nice job.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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scottb

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posted 85 days ago

glad to hear of so many people getting into the bee biz. I’ve also heard that local honey helps prevent allergies from whatever the honey is made from – great for seasonal allergies!

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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RusticElements

141 posts in 263 days


posted 83 days ago

Woodworm: you can get many products from a beehive. Honey, wax, propolis (mostly tree resin bees use to seal cracks and sterilize foreign objects) and royal jelly (food for bee larvae, especially the queen). I don’t know how to harvest or use the last 2 but I use the wax in the orange wax that I make. I think I know how to use the honey ;).

Thanx for all the positive comments guys.

-- Michael R. Harvey - Brewster, NY - RusticElementArt.com - SpaceAware.org - AnConn.com

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CelticDreamer

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posted 82 days ago

Absolutely amazing Rustic! I love to see stories about people discovering a need and being able to fill it. Not knowing a thing about bee keeping, I’m curious as to what wood you use to build the hives (due to constant exposure), and if there is any kind of finish on it.

-- last night I played a blank tape at full volume - the mime next door went nuts!

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RusticElements

141 posts in 263 days


posted 82 days ago

I’m just using #2 pine (carefully selected). I would like to use poplar because it’s better quality and local but that would add over $100 to each hive.

Hives are typically delivered unfinished. Most people paint them, usually white, and some people use spar varnish/urethane. I used my own blend of beeswax finish on mine. Only the outside is finished, the inside is left unfinished,

BTW, I like your tag line.

-- Michael R. Harvey - Brewster, NY - RusticElementArt.com - SpaceAware.org - AnConn.com

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Dex

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posted 75 days ago

very nice work and congrats on your new “bees”ness! lol. ok, it wasn’t that funny..

Speaking of that tag line you mentioned above… that sounds a lot like Stephen Wright am I (w)right?

-- If it ain't country, it ain't music!

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CelticDreamer

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posted 75 days ago

Yep! Gotta love that slow, monotone delivery, which is how I am typing (w)right now…...

-- last night I played a blank tape at full volume - the mime next door went nuts!

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dennis mitchell

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posted 25 days ago

How did I miss this! Good luck on your new venture.

-- http://www.woodsongsfurniture.com

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