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Project by BubingaBill posted 01-23-2014 06:04 PM 1663 views 2 times favorited 16 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Hi All,
Here is a prototype for my latest design. This is all made of pine but the final will be a combo of Zebra and Walnut. I used a joint design someone told me about a few weeks ago called birdsmouth. Mark Shymanski was making a column and made the joint incorrectly and I have to admit I loved the result. It was a tube with ridges all around it. I tried to make this a 10 sided tube but I did something wrong in my angles and it ended up only working with 8 sides. The final piece will have a 10 sided tube down the center. As this sits I can’t fit 2 halves of a cue in one end. The legs and handle are my first ever attempt at bent wood lamination. I wanted the handle to have the same arch as the legs and in doing so I realized (a bit late) that I couldn’t get my fingers under the handle comfortably. So I added 4 dowel rods and raised the handle an inch. The handle has 1/4” dowels and the legs are attached with 1/8” dowels. I have a design in mind for the end of the case but seeing that I made this one too small I will have to hold off on it for a while. Overall dimensions are 36” long x 6” wide x 8” high.
I have been a pool-hall junkie as long as I can remember and I have never seen anything like this. I might have to keep this one for me!!
Please give me you comments on this case. Delving into untried waters here and I’m worried I might have blinders on.
Thanks

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!





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R_Stad

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#1 posted 01-23-2014 09:48 PM

I like it – very unique and creative. It will be quite the piece using the walnut and zebrawood. Well done. Keep going.

-- Rod - Oregon

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#2 posted 01-23-2014 10:02 PM

Very unique as a form of display. Hard to imagine someone toting it around to the pool hall, though.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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#3 posted 01-23-2014 10:32 PM

Brian,
I thought of that and so far it is very light. That will change with hard woods and some guts. The people I am trying to reach with these are the ones who spent thousands on a cue and carry it around in some cheap vinyl thing made in China, and want to do their cue some justice. Also why not intimidate your opponent as soon as you walk in the door!
Also pool halls are changing. I went to one in downtown Chicago not too long ago and everyone had expensive cues and cases. The ones I’m making are not for the average player. Funny how everyone seams to be broke but everyone has plenty to gamble with!

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#4 posted 01-24-2014 02:19 AM

Thank you Rod!

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#5 posted 01-24-2014 05:53 PM

Bill-

Very nice job. As for intimidating the other players when you walk into a hall, try a opposing pair of these for a handle gripping your cool case top.

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/44005

That would shake up my psyche quite a bit if I saw that coming over to my table….

Dave

-- I'm not old. Just "well seasoned".

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#6 posted 01-24-2014 06:00 PM

That is AWESOME!! I search around the projects all the time and must have missed that one. WOW!
Only problem is I have never carved anything even close to that before.
Who’s Bob?

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#7 posted 01-24-2014 09:00 PM

Interesting case and for sure very different than the usual. It has been some time since I shot any pool but that case would have lead to issues of “acceptance” of guy walking in with such a case. Any of the real good guys would have been tripping over themselves to play you if you had the cash and then the other element would likely just want to beat you with the case.

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BubingaBill

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#8 posted 01-24-2014 09:42 PM

Travis,
I’m in the American Poolplayers Association. The worlds largest amateur pool league. They have 8 and 9 ball divisions and end up the year playing a “nationals” tournament in Vegas. There can be some nice money in it if you are very, very good.
One thing I have noticed in the last few years is the over the top cues people are buying. Spending thousands for a stick!
I have refereed a few lower level tournaments and in that time (sadly) several cues have been taken. The current most popular case is a round-ish tube covered in black vinyl. They all look alike! If someone walked by you with your case you would not even know it!!
Not a chance with one of mine.

I guess I think of pool as a league thing. I wouldn’t even think of taking my cue to a unknown bar looking to hustle someone. Fast Eddie Felson I am not.

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#9 posted 01-24-2014 10:35 PM

I for some reason visualized walking into pool halls or bars not local league play. I never played in a league we usually just hit different places within decent driving distances or took short road trips. All the halls had a different vibe and different levels of money and different levels of concern. Some we just had a beer a quick bite to eat and went on our way. Always had visions of Fast Eddie poor hands at these places or worse.

Yeah you can drop a lot of money on sticks. I started playing as a child with my grandfather then really played a lot over 8 years while in college (one of the reason it took 8 years). This was early to mid 90’s and was amazed at the money some were dropping on cues at the time. We won a lot of lower end Mali, Meucci, and Vikings from college kids during those years, few other brands but those were the usual ones. I sold them quick and was saving them to go towards a Josswest (popular at the time have no idea now) but ended up buying a bunch of bass fishing rods and reels instead. Once I got married (16 years ago) haven’t played since. Past year or so really been itching to get a table and break out the cue I kept and introduce the kids to playing.

When I was playing the oval and round cases were the norm also. Like you said all identical, with a few exceptions. Some guys had nice leather (buffalo or ostrich) but vinyl was the norm.

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BubingaBill

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#10 posted 01-24-2014 10:52 PM

The cases haven’t changed much. A bit bigger to hold more cues. Those got heavy so they added a shoulder strap. I did see a clear plexi one not too long ago. It was not old and already showing stress cracks around the screws.
You should look up the APA in your area.
Funny you should say the stick you were saving up to buy… I have one. 1979 JossWest with 2 shafts. Only cost me $5.00
I won it in a raffle! Some 15 years ago. Valued around $2,500.00 and yes I use it all the time. It NEVER leaves my side when I’m at the pool hall.

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#11 posted 01-24-2014 10:52 PM

Very nice lines. Reminds me of a Japanese sword display.

2 thoughts occur to me. First, I think the 1/8” dowels holding the legs may be insufficient. Those pins will take the brunt of any hard bumps setting this down. There will be a lot of leverage amplifying the force.

The second thought is a really a design question. Would there ever be a need to hang this on a strap (vertically) off the shoulder? If so, will the legs work OK, or get in the way?

Again, great lines. That’s really a good looking prototype.

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#12 posted 01-24-2014 10:54 PM

That stick is why I got into wood working. I wanted a nicer case to put it in and didn’t like anything on the market! So I made a nice (heavy) black walnut box case.

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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#13 posted 01-24-2014 11:00 PM

Volund,
I have no plans on adding a shoulder strap. The 1/8” dowels in the legs are glued along with the area around it. Kinda like 2 large nails. I don’t know of another joint that would be stronger without weakening the legs. I’m all ears if you know of something! That’s why I posted a work in progress!!!
And thanks for the compliments!

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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Volund

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#14 posted 01-24-2014 11:13 PM

I was thinking you could use the 1/4” dowels to attach the legs as well. Since the legs are laminated that should not weaken them significantly. My concern is that if you drop that onto the legs a few times, or someone leans on it, the legs will flex out and that will put a lot of sheer on the dowels. 1/8” seems pretty fragile to me.

If they are hidden and have to be that thin, have you considered using captive nuts and some steel all-thread?

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BubingaBill

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#15 posted 01-25-2014 12:10 AM

I am worried about the legs breaking off. I think switching to larger dowels should do. I want to limit the hardware as it adds up when making several cases.

-- Measure twice and try not to cut your thumbs off!

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