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I recently returned from a week at Marc Adams School of Woodworking were I made this little table. The class was Curvy Furniture Using Boat building Techniques with David Orth. The table is made from 1/8th” mdf and it is put together using a stitch and glue method that is used in making small boats and kayaks. I have a love of all things curvy when it comes to furniture and its really a great way to get some great curves in your design not to mention it’s actually quite easy.The last few pics are of the process.You basically stitch together thin mdf with copper wire, coat the inside with epoxy,and coat the inside and outside and corners with an epoxy & wood dust mix. Glue the top and bottom on, cut the the wires and sand smooth and its ready for veneer.

I veneered mahogany to the sides and added a piece of what I think is waterfall bubinga to the top. Its a pc. of veneer I’ve had for years that came in a marquetry pack so if I’m wrong and you know what it is let me know. I used a method of painting on PVA glue on the veneer and substrate and letting it dry then reactivating the glue and attaching it to the project with a clothes iron. I would not suggest this method to anyone that is why I am watching with rapt attention to the hide glue and protein glue video’s from our fellow lumberjocks shipwright, WPatrick, and Patricelejeune. I just need to get that darn glue pot and start learning! I have a larger table made with the same technique but I want to veneer it with hide glue so I guess I want to learn a little more about protein glue before I give that a shot. .Thanks for looking.

-- Paul--- Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. — Scott Adams





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Patricelejeune

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#1 posted 404 days ago

Nice shape!! and thank you for your interest. If you have any question we could answer in video for hide glue, let us know we will try to do a video to answer it.

Cheers and congrats on your piece.

-- Patrice lejeune

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rmac

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#2 posted 404 days ago

I used a method of painting on PVA glue on the veneer and substrate and letting it dry then reactivating the glue and attaching it to the project with a clothes iron. I would not suggest this method to anyone.

I have always been interested in the PVA method you are talking about, but never tried it. Why do you recommend against it?

—Russ

-- My table saw laughs at hot dogs. http://thesorteddetails.blogspot.com/

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shipwright

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#3 posted 404 days ago

Nice one Paul.
Maybe your next project will actually be a boat. ;-)
Stitch and glue is a great way to attach odd shapes together although all I’ve ever used it for is boats.
It looks like they had you apply the epoxy unthickened.
Just my opinion but it would be a lot cleaner, easier and stronger if it were thickened.

All that aside I like the table and the veneering looks very good. It’s not that easy to get nice corners like those with our thin veneers.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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savannah505

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#4 posted 404 days ago

Real sweet looking piece Paul, very nice work.

-- Dan Wiggins

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tinnman65

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#5 posted 404 days ago

Thanks for the nice comments everyone.
rmac Ive done several projects using reactivated pva glue with mixed results. A few reasons I would not recommend it are 1) If you dont add water to the non glue side of the veneer as a counter balance your veneer will curl, I do this and I still can never seem to get the veneer to lay perfectly flat again which causes problems when you hit it with heat and it sometimes wants to split. 2) Its nearly impossible to tape a seem before you glue it down because the wood has had a lot of water added to it and the seams always want to shrink even when taped. Its best to add it piece by piece. 3) Once you hit it with heat and it bonds if something needs moved you can trash the veneer real easily when trying to reheat it and shift it. These are just a few problems I’ve had but I may be doing something wrong as i just taught myself to do this. I have heard of bonding the pieces when the glue is still wet and this would solve a lot if issues but I never tried it. I bet there is some good articles on this method that might help and It really is easy to do.

shipwright, the inside is completely painted with thin unthickend epoxy to case harden it and then the corners are fileted with a thickened epoxy for strength. I was told there was no reason to add fiberglass mesh as they do for boats because it doesn’t need that kind of strength. some people coated the outside as well but then its recommended to only paint the piece. I would really love to tackle a kayak sometime but an actual boat is probably a little to much to bite off….......unless I had help. Do you want to take a 3000 mile trip to the Great Lakes:)

-- Paul--- Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. — Scott Adams

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shipwright

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#6 posted 404 days ago

That sounds right. I couldn’t see the fillet in the photos or rather on second look the photo was taken before the fillet was added. Sorry but I’ve built enough boats. ;-)

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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rmac

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#7 posted 404 days ago

Thanks Paul, for explaining the problems with reactivating PVA glue. I’ll keep those in mind if/when I ever try it myself.

—Russ

-- My table saw laughs at hot dogs. http://thesorteddetails.blogspot.com/

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HillbillyShooter

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#8 posted 404 days ago

Very nicely done, with great write up! Actually, I got so engrossed with your construction details and everyone’s comments, I failed to comment earlier. Thanks for posting with all the details.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#9 posted 403 days ago

Great job, Paul.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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NeerlyObsessed

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#10 posted 403 days ago

Great looking project! This one has inspired me to try this as a new style of table base.

Your top looks like quilted/pommele sapele to me. Waterfall bubinga has more contrasts between the grain lines.

I also don’t recommend using PVA glue and an iron for applying larger pieces of veneer. It does work really well for applying edge banding though. One tick I have used for larger pieces is to apply three good coats of glue on the sub-straight allow each coat to mostly dry. Don’t allowing the last coat to completely dry. Once the glue has been applied to sub-straight and set-up apply a single coat of glue to the veneer and iron immediately. I use my iron in the highest setting. I am not sure this explains it very well, but let me know if you would like more info.

John

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stefang

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#11 posted 399 days ago

Exceptionally nice design Paul and looks totally original to me and very well done too.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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B0b

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#12 posted 309 days ago

I’m really glad you posted this. I am planning a cieling with some curved coffers and Couldn’t figure out how to clamp it. The wire will work perfect for me. I imagine if I’m careful with my glue, I can cut them flush, and leave the copper dots exposed, right?

-- Time to get started

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tinnman65

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#13 posted 309 days ago

Bob, I can’t see why that wouldn’t work but I would do a mockup to make sure its works. Good luck and post some pictures if all goes well.

-- Paul--- Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. — Scott Adams

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