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Yesterday we started a video series on hide glue and liquid hide glue, Old Brown Glue in our case.

We will try to upload a video a week in the format question and answer so if you have any questions, feel free to ask, we will answer in video.

Answering veneering with hide glue question – 06-06-2013

One aspect of reversibility – reactivation, rehydration of existing hide glue 06-06-2013

Simple repair, easy clean up, another aspect of reversibility. Finish conservation


Answering the question vacuum bag veneering with Old Brown Glue liquid hide glue

Let me know i you have anymore questions!!!

-- Patrice lejeune





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Woodwrecker

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#1 posted 418 days ago

Thank you.
I will follow along with great interest.

-- Having fun...Eric

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#2 posted 418 days ago

Patrice I have never used hide glue before and would like to use it for veneering as well as for joinery. The questions that come to mind are 1) Does Old Brown Glue with such a long open time tack up as fast as hot hide glue? 2) What is the coverage of OBG in a 20oz Bottle? I understand that when veneering you apply it to both sides and hammer it down so I understand there would really be no definitive sq. ft. amount, I was just asking for a rough guess. I’ve often heard that hot hide glue can be finicky. Would OBG be a good way for a novice to get introduced to protein glue. Thanks so much for the videos I really want to try using protein glues but It just seemed a little intimidating to me.

-- Paul--- Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. — Scott Adams

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#3 posted 417 days ago

Can’t wait to watch the videos!

On another note, I was noticing your vast collection of moulding planes in the background…....You are aware that Obama has decreed that there must be equal distribution of such treasures? He claims that when you “spread the planes around it’s good for everybody” No one should have too much…...I will be looking for my share of those little jewels in the mail real soon. Great collection!

Good Day

-- So Much Wood - So Little Time! --

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Patricelejeune

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#4 posted 417 days ago

Thank you guys for your interest.

I always used hide glue, more or less during my still young career, but I am sure glad to have eliminated any synthetic glue (apart for my fusion marquetry) since I came to the US to work with Patrick. This is one of the reasons I immigrated in fact, Patrick an understanding and a respect for the traditional methods, but not as a traditionalist but more like me, as someone who understand the benefits of the old manners.
My main reason for using hide glue is reversibility. I have been restoring furniture forever, mainly french with lots of veneer and marquetry, but not only, and the only reason why we can still restore those furniture is because of the reversibility of the finish AND the glue.
Furniture will have accident and being able to repair them makes me feel good as I do not want to build trashable pieces at the first incident.

I never used liquid hide glue before coming here, never took the time too make it, try and error etc, but since I started using Old Brown Glue, I must say I use only the hot hide glue for hammer veneering, rub joints and putting my marquetry down on my assembly board. All the rest, veneering included, I use OBG.

tinnman65 I had some rush for veneering so I put a video together for you and others who wander about that. The average covering for OBG is 1 oz per sq.ft. both side, so with a 20 oz, depending on the surface and the material used you should be able to veneer a surafe of 20 sq.ft.

Veneering with hot hide glue, if it is medium to big surface, you will need a hot press.
You see the hot hide glue does for a film and when you do big surfaces, the time to put glue on both side, it films and then the film brakes during the pressing but there is still places where it does not grabe well or tiny air bublus traped between the 2 films.
When OBG gel it does not form a film immediately so it will still grab well.
Concerning the tackiness, it is not the same as hot hide glue, but in my experience, it really tacks well fast enough, so I am carefull to put it in the right place right away while it is sliding and before it starts tacking.

OBG is in my opinion definitely easier to use than hot hide glue, no need of a glue pot, longer open time.
The only differences IN USE with the synthetic glues is you have to warm it up but it us really not a problem, the result is like hide glue, reversibility, non toxic, recycling animal waste, so… I will say green. Even if it is still brown.

Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5UaRq52XI

For restorer, I did onather video that shows how to re-press veneer that is lifting by re-moistrazing, rehydrating the existing hide glue, using the reversibility ability to reactivate the glue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNM2ekBuhv4

Moisture and heat are the 2 factors to remember when playing with hide glue

Let me know if you have any other questions guys, I will update the video in an answer and question mode.

Thanks again

-- Patrice lejeune

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Rj

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#5 posted 391 days ago

Thanks so much for taking the time to post this info.

-- Rj's Woodworks,San Jose & Weed Ca,

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#6 posted 391 days ago

thanks for the videos and efort

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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Patricelejeune

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#7 posted 385 days ago

Thank you
If you have any questions let us know

-- Patrice lejeune

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#8 posted 364 days ago

The new video is on vacuum bag veneering with Old Brown glue liquid hide glue. Thanks for the question

-- Patrice lejeune

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