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Vintage late 40s' Sargent Plane Cleanup

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Project by Randall Sly posted 05-05-2013 08:21 PM 1077 views 1 time favorited 8 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Decided to clean up an old plane of my Great Grandfathers this weekend.
The lever cap logo suggests it’s vintage 1942 – 1950 (which is the right time frame for my family history)

The cleanup was simply a vinegar bath/soak followed by a very light brushing with a soft brass hand brush and a light oiled rubbing. The handles cleansed with spirits and a quick spray clear coat. I gave the sole a couple passes on some 320 grit paper and it’s very true. The blade is sharp enough for display so I left it alone.

Picture 1 & 2 – After clean up
Picture 3 – Before clean up
Picture 4 – The Bath
Picture 5 – The frog # that doesn’t match the length
Picture 6 – The Blades says # 40 with a logo that dates it 1919 – 1942

Technically this should be a Jack Plane measuring in at 14” and compared to some old Sargent literature.
A # 409 plane is much smaller, and the stamping on the cutter dates back much older.

Is this a FrankenPlane?

1 of 2 things cross my mind here, and that is none of the research on-line is totally accurate, and knowing how mass production works it’s quite possible 2 planes could share the same parts.

Frankenplane or not, I’m not much of a plane user and I enjoyed cleaning up one of the few tools we have from my Great Grandfather.

-- I could retire nicely if I could sell my experience for what it cost me.





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Oldtool

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#1 posted 05-05-2013 09:58 PM

Nice restore. Going to see how it planes?

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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hotbyte

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#2 posted 05-05-2013 10:40 PM

Looks great! Cool to see a family piece restored like that.

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schnable

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#3 posted 05-05-2013 11:15 PM

How cool. I recently inherited my grandfathers Sargent jack plane (identical to yours) and mine also has a
409 frog. I’ve been told that it was not uncommon for the factory to use 409 frogs on these planes. They are the same size. Mine cleaned up pretty well.

Andrew

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#4 posted 05-05-2013 11:41 PM

It looks like a #414. (400 series, 14”) I think you’ll find all 2” Sargents have 409 frogs. They are all the same . Its hard to tell in the picture, but they look like mahogany knob and totes. If so, the plane was probably made before 1948.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Dallas

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#5 posted 05-06-2013 12:01 AM

I agree with Don W. I have a 409, 414 and a 415. the 409 and 414 have a 409 frog and the 415 has a 409-414 frog.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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Randall Sly

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#6 posted 05-06-2013 12:24 AM

Looking at Don W’s collection I’ve only got a few hundred more to restore! I Believe the tote & know may be mahogany, There was very little unfinished raw material on the bottom of the tote.

hotbyte – I’ve cleaned up (loosly restored) a lot of vintage items I prefer to avoid abrasives as to retain the age. I apply this technique to clocks & tools most often.

Old Tool- I plan to try it out I’ve got to recycle something first.

Dallas – I suspected the frog was a multi use component as is the 2” iron

I’m new to hand planes as a collectible… Thanks for all the input, I might be on the lookout for a few more.

-- I could retire nicely if I could sell my experience for what it cost me.

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Don W

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#7 posted 05-06-2013 01:09 AM

if your going to put together a collection of sargent planes, I’d suggest this book. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SARGENT-Planes-IDENTIFICATION-VALUE-GUIDE-/400475794932?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3e37adf4#ht_1537wt_1249

SARGENT Planes IDENTIFICATION & VALUE GUIDE by David Heckel

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Randall Sly

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#8 posted 05-06-2013 09:32 AM

Thank you Don, I saw many references (both good and bad) to Davids book in the plane & wood working forums while researching this one. I’m not sure I’m the collector type, I do enjoy restoring or at least reviving old tools. My current health and budgetary restraints limit me to donations from friends and family, possibly the occasional $2 – $5 find may fit in. One thing for sure Thanks to Great Grand Dad I wont lose track of his, I also have this small tool box he made that it fits in perfectly.

-- I could retire nicely if I could sell my experience for what it cost me.

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