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Project by Shawn Masterson posted 02-26-2013 12:45 AM 2380 views 4 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch

This is the best category I could think of since my shop is my biggest project. Sorry if it’s in the wrong place

This project all started with the purchase of a 20” planer 5HP (3phz). It came with a static phase converter, which is wrong for this size machine. In doing lots of research I bought a set of plans for a build rotary converter from E-bay, the plans I bought were not complete (IMO) after going back and forth with the seller I asked for a refund and he obliged. In my research I discovered it would cost me more to build one than to buy a pre-made panel. So I started searching for the right panel for me. I stumbled across a few pre-made panel on E-bay. It was a “Phase-Craft” I chose. The owner had his phone number in the listing so I gave him a call. In talking with him we came to the conclusion I needed a 10 HP panel. The panel came to 189.18 with free shipping and a 3 year warranty. It was here in three days. I bench tested it and it worked flawlessly right out of the box and only took 15 min to hook it up. Know it’s time for mods, I wanted to turn it on and off remotely. The remotes I chose were a 4 piece set from menards , 1 remote and 3 receivers, two of them for DC and the last was for the 3phz converter. in the second picture you can see the cord, remote and the plug I added(these are not factory). it work great from any where in the shop, even as far away as the deck(40’). I left the factory switch in place, so when I walk in I flip it on, and when I need it I just hit the remote and I am makin 3phz. I will do a formal review later after I put a few miles on it.





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Hybridwoodwork

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#1 posted 02-26-2013 12:51 AM

Sounds imprressive but I have no idea what you are talking about! You’re going to have to dumb it down a bit.

-- How it happened that Mastro Cherry, carpenter, found a piece of wood that wept and laughed like a child.

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KnotCurser

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#2 posted 02-26-2013 01:01 AM

I really have no idea what this is, but it certainly isn’t a finished project made from wood so it doesn’t belong here. I would suggest you place this kind of stuff in a blog in the future.

It looks to me like you are showing off a e-bay purchased motor?

-- Robert Rhoades WoodWorks / Email: rrww@rhoadesclan.com / www.rhoadesclan.com

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Shawn Masterson

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#3 posted 02-26-2013 01:04 AM

sorry the pix are sideways

regular 220 goes into the grey box, it starts/runs the Big ole 3phz motor hanging on the wall, and it makes 3 phase power. 3phz power is more of an industrial thing. the machines are usually cheaper and more heavy duty. My 20” planer is a debranded Jet I paid $675. now that I have the converter I can run any 3phz machine up to 7.5 HP. It really opens up my options on machine selection.

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Danpaddles

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#4 posted 02-26-2013 01:53 AM

Thanks for posting, I’ve thought about a few tools that run on 3 ph., there are some real bargains out there. And I love a bargain. How quick does it come up to speed? Do you just leave ti run most of the time, o ruse it more on and off. And-what does it do to your electric bill? 3 phase is cheap, I think, in a factory, but when you have to make it….. just wondering about efficiency.

-- Dan V. in Indy

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Shawn Masterson

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#5 posted 02-26-2013 04:18 AM

the panel was a purchase. the rest of the parts were sourced locally installed and wire by me on site. oh and I use an oak 2×10 to mount the motor, so there was wood used in the project. the reason I considered it a project is because without it my planer would not run. a critical tool in my shop.

To danpaddles
it comes up to speed instantly. my plan is to turn it on and of as needed, that’s why the remote. as of yet all I can tell you on power usage is that it draws 2-3 amps at idle, but the planer is rated at 14 amps so if you add them it should only draw 16-17 amps. which is less that the 1phz 5HP (25amps)on my old planer this is only a theory right now. I will do more testing later and after I have better info I will do a review of the true product results.

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Hybridwoodwork

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#6 posted 02-26-2013 11:58 AM

OK thanks for the educating, didn’t know you could do something like that. Kind of a power inverter kind of thing…

-- How it happened that Mastro Cherry, carpenter, found a piece of wood that wept and laughed like a child.

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Von

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#7 posted 02-26-2013 06:13 PM

pffffft! if the other guys can build a machine and post it up, I do not see any reason that YOU can not do the same. heck, you got wood in the project anyway. or am I the only one who sees the 2x and the osb board?

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KnotCurser

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#8 posted 02-26-2013 06:16 PM

Sure – and the next thing we will be doing is posting pictures of our babies and vacations.

While I’m at it, I think I have a picture or two of my classic car.

Rules are rules, and they are there for a good reason.

I’m not the rule maker, nor the enforcer, so I wash my hands of this but I hope you can see what I’m saying.

So, you can pffffffft! all you want – doesn’t bother me a bit as I’m not following this any more.

-bob

-- Robert Rhoades WoodWorks / Email: rrww@rhoadesclan.com / www.rhoadesclan.com

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DLyon

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#9 posted 02-26-2013 06:47 PM

Thanks for posting. I’ve passed up several 3 phase machines at auction not knowing how difficult or expensive it would be to put a converter panel together. You make it look affordable and doable.

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crashn

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#10 posted 02-27-2013 02:56 AM

I know of this type of 3 phase converter, where you use another motor to create the phases, also called a rotary converter.

There is also a solid state type of converter, some others have posted here about using them, why did you go your route vs. the other? Benefits, drawbacks, etc?

Thanks. Having 3 phase opens up options for sure.

-- Crashn - the only thing I make more of than sawdust is mistakes

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Shawn Masterson

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#11 posted 02-27-2013 04:53 AM

static was weak. as far as solid state are you referring to a VFD? if so I chose the rotary because of cost, flexibility, and the ability to run more than 1 machine at once. there are a lot of times when I need say stiles and rails in quantity. I will take a board and edge joint, then rip it 1/16 big and feed the rip through the planer standing up for final width. when I do this I fire up all 3 machines and leave them run till I am done. since I am in the market for a bigger jointer this gives me the option to go 3phz if the choice comes around. with a rotary every machine you add to the line adds an idler motor to the circuit. also I have been told that a rotary will run a welder. I need to do more research on that. I only have around 265 in the whole thing so far for a 10hp converter. the cost will increase as I add more plugs.

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crashn

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#12 posted 02-28-2013 01:48 AM

Thanks. Yes, VFD was what I was referring to. I could not remember the name at the time. I did not realize a VFD would only be able to run one machine, but I have not done extensive research into either.

Cheers

-- Crashn - the only thing I make more of than sawdust is mistakes

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Shawn Masterson

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#13 posted 03-01-2013 01:18 AM

yeah I believe vfd’s are similar to a static in that they are for 1 machine at a time, and are sized for the machine. I’m not sure but that what I believe. the rotary was very simple, darn near plug and play, and very versatile. they can even be balanced for cnc stuff.

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