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This posting is for showing some of the pinewood derby cars we’ve built the past year, talking some about last night’s racing, and sharing some of the lessons I’ve learned along the way.

It’s been awhile since I’ve typed much, just have other things to do. If you aren’t a fan of my diatribes, I’m sorry, I included photos so you could quickly peruse them….although you’ll miss the point of all of this if you just look at the photos. Isn’t life like that?

Last night was a long awaited night, one we’ve been planning for….well, since the minute last year’s races ended.

So, a year of effort, research, drawing plans, thinking and contemplating, some hard work, practicing, studying other people’s blogs and youtube videos, reading books, dusting off my engineering education, some more hard work, quality tiime and talk with my kids, and a bit of racing luck. More on that “Luck” in a bit….

Before that.....A year ago my son and I did a pinewood derby car together. I enjoyed it as much as he did, maybe more, passing on the tradition to him. I posted that story a year ago, discussing the 4th place finish. My son was pretty disappointed, demonstrating that again last week when he pulled his BFRO car out of the glass display case in the shop, and said to it, “You bad BFRO car, you let me down last year.”

Even though he was disappointed with 4th place, I was thrilled to have large amounts of measurable time working together in the shop, getting along better, and feeling like we did something as a team. Not everything can be measured in trophies in this world, but many things are more important. You know what I mean, teaching kids things like knowing when to hold ‘em, and knowing when to fold ‘em, and knowing when to walk away, and knowing when to run (You’re going to hate me that you can’t get that old song out of your head now!).

A year ago, our relationship hadn’t been going so well, he was frustrated because he seemed to be in trouble all of the time, and I was equally frustrated because he seemed to be in trouble all of the time. He has a good heart, he just gets easily distracted, and his sudden impulses are not always thought out real well, and have unexpected consequences. During that year, he quit coming into the shop after the school bus dropped him off, and he started going into the house to avoid me. I noticed it quickly, and it had me concerned, and nothing I was saying seemed to be helping. So, seeing the pattern and fearing it’s implications, I started praying for help.

If when you get finished with this long diatribe, you find that you just can’t get enough of “me”, you can read more of the back-story by following this link to last year's Pinewood Derby Car lesson summary

Joining Scouts:
The idea of joining Scouts together sounded like a good idea, but I had a hard time getting over what seemed to be constantly in the News about all of that “bad stuff” (not down playing that at all), you hear about a few bad “scout leaders”.

And, I realized that dropping my kid off at scouts while I go and do something else is what other people may call a good time, but I decided that both my kid and I together needed the “Scout’s Experience”. So, I dedicated myself to stopping work short two days a month and driving into town to attend the scout meetings with him after school.

But, I was pretty cautious about picking a Scout a group to join, and decided that what was most important was picking a group based on the obvious quality of the leadership. I found that group, and we joined up. After working with “Troy” (the Leader) for the past 15 months, he has proven to be even more “quality” than I had imagined, and I’ve learned a lot about being a dad, patience with kids, all from just observing him. SO, good for me also, and for Troy leading us all.

At first it was hard, counting the hours I was missing in the shop, and worrying over how we’d make the bills this month, or that month, or what I’d miss out on by not working more. As I drove, I’d count the gas cost, forty miles round trip in an antique pick up truck ain’t cheap you know. But, Finally, after a few weeks I decided to embrace my decision, and leave the results up to God. And, I’m glad I did that.

Also, I decided that I was going to have to stop worrying about “me” so much and stop working in the shop so much, and to stop pushing the kids out of the shop so often, just so that I could get more work done…alone

I could make the argument that it’s not all that selfish to run a one-man business and worry over how to provide for my family. But I think I’ve been worrying enough, and I need to do something else at times. The stakes are high with kids, and the years are short. Know what I mean? (And, after 16 years of going “undiscovered” as an artisan, I’m starting to embrace the idea that it just isn’t going to happen for me, and maybe I need to find something else to hope for. I’m not fully “there” yet, but it’s starting to pile up).

Both the scouting and my refocus on more important goals has been rewarded with safe, important, quality time with both of my kids. And the pay off has been that my son and I aren’t nearly as frustrated with each other, although he still gets in trouble from time to time, but nothing major yet. So, we’ve had a good year, refocused on the “most” important things, and I’m still in business with my business, God has been good to us.

So, for this year’s Pinewood Derby event, I had to make a decision, whether to let my kids build their own cars, or to work with them on the project. There are two strong and opinionated “camps” on that decision point, and either they are diametrically or diabolically opposed, not sure which.

The goal for the kids of course is winning, while the goal for me is to pass on the traditions, the hand skills, design skills, and just simply spend time together doing something other than watching them play a sport from the car seat, or a bench. In the process of working together on a car, they would understand aspects of craft work, engineering, and diligent planning that they would not learn on their own as quickly.

You don’t do Sports? (OMGosh)
We don’t “do” sports, and that is a long and controversial story that I don’t want to get into here, and I don’t care what you do with your kids (well really I do care, but I don’t want to argue with you).

We also make it a point “not” to do a lot of running and going and spending time on various low-priority things. I realize that it’s not for everyone, I’m not trying to preach, just explain the back-story to all of this car racing stuff. Back twelve years ago, we chose a home that is quiet and isolated in the Country, and so it is really inconvenient and time consuming to drive into town for all of the activities that town’s people find themselves doing since it’s all so easily available.

In short, my thoughts have been to quiet life down by being at home more, and focus as much as possible on the important things, and doing our best on those things, instead of being average at a lot of things. The side benefit is that we don’t spend near as much money on gas, and the whole family doesn’t feel so worn out on activities. So, we don’t do sports, but I won’t argue with you if you do. We also DON’T DO video games, none of us, but that’s too much off topic to go over that one here, and I don’t need to stir up that one too much…..now.

Ok, so I had to decide between letting the kids do their own cars without help, or to work along with them. They were concerned about trophies, while I was concerned about teaching them something other than winning trophies and just spending time together….at home.

I opted to work with them together, individually, so they would not argue or compete for my attention, and I could talk with them individually, alone. I realize that alone time with a kid is pretty hard for all us, but that was one of my goals this year for the project. Two other events happened this year, where it became painfully obvious to me that just sending my kids off to the government’s school for indoctrination and hoping for the best, might leave a few things out along the way, that are quite important to me.

God is Not Allowed in Here!
The first event that caused me to really question my kid’s education, and my lack of involvement in that, was when my daughter told me awhile back that she was told by a teacher that she could not talk about God any more in school, that it was against the rules. This is a small town, family-oriented culture of Country folks in the Bible Belt, and God is not allowed there at our little school? What’s it like in a Big Blue State School? No, don’t tell me, I have enough to worry about.

When my daughter told me that, I flushed with anger, and responded to my daughter, ”But you have the Constitutional Right in the First Amendment to talk about anything you want to talk about, anywhere you are in this Country, you tell that teacher to call me…......”

My daughter just looked at me like I was crazy, and said, ”what’s the first amendment?” I realized by the look on her face that I was failing her in the area of education. The second event was a little different but told me a similar message with my son. For crying out loud, I have an ancestor who offered up his Life, Fortune, and Sacred Honor by signing the Declaration of Independence, and then not much more than 200 years later, my own kids don’t know how the First Amendment protects them? Ugh, what a failure I am. You know that the 2nd Amendment is getting all of the news right now, but without the 1st one, does it matter about the 2nd? And without the 2nd one, can you really protect the 1st one? You know that 2nd one isn’t about the right to hunt animals? And on top of that, if someone doesn’t start teaching these kids to have a “heart” all of us older folks are going to regret dumping all of this debt on these kids at the same time we are hoping they’ll keep us alive…. Just thinking out loud.

Now, I think the issue here with the “school rules” most likely has more to do with one teacher that doesn’t understand the rules, and just takes a safe route to avoid trouble. It’s happening all over the country like that, and even in churches where pastors misunderstand the rules on charitable corporations and fearing the loss of their tax exempt status wrongly fear to tread on ground they think might get them in trouble, despite that their congregants might need certain teachings. So, at this point, I’m asking my daughter to stand on her own protected rights, and see what develops, and step in and help with the situation as needed, which so far, hasn’t been needed.

This incident made me realize that I hadn’t been spending time making sure my kids understood the Founding Fathers, and our protected Rights given by God….. and that leads to realizing the implications of where this shift in cultural focus leads us all in the end. Some have been working toward that end, while I’ve been sleeping and worrying over paying bills. I guess I thought the kids would pick up that stuff at school. So, even though the kids don’t realize it now, I realize that my kids will someday wish I had done a better job teaching that, and very possibly a lot of kids will wish someone had done a better job teaching that.

Ok, so I’m off on this 1st Amendment rabbit-trail during a Pinewood Derby story, simply to highlight just another reason that I felt it was important to have alone time with each kid, where we could go to the shop, do a project, and talk about things they need to understand about this world, and it all has nothing to do with how to throw a ball, or catch a pass, or even race a little wooden car.

Oh Dad, when can we start cutting the wood?
We started with talking through the design aspects of what makes a gravity powered car fast down an incline. And, what things hinder that speed, friction, wind resistance, alignment, etc. That engineering understanding helped them wade through all of the book photos of other people’s cars, and come up with a design that would be both fast, and would look cool. Last year, they were both into Theme Cars, funny looking things that would make kids laugh, but not go fast down a gravity powered track. This year, starting out with the engineering understanding, they focused quickly on the speed points of their design.

I made them draw out three views of the car they envisioned, using a little orthographic understanding in the process, and we drew out the plans then on their block of wood. Some of it they cut with a hand saw, other parts I cut with a bandsaw. I don’t trust them yet on finger eating power tools, that will come in time, but later when their focus ability and hand skills have matured. We moved on through sanding, and painting.

They both had interesting paint schemes they wanted to achieve. They used acrylic paints and brushes and masking tape, and I was able to show them how to think backwards to determine how to start the painting process and build up to the final appearance they wanted. After the painting, we then smoothed the finish with several dozen coats of clear Gloss lacquer that I sprayed for them. They did the dusting of the glitter spray by themselves.

Rachel decided to match the pink camo that is on her new compound bow, and Riley wanted KSU Wildcat colors, with a bright yellow stripe down the middle and flames on the front. I used that as an opportunity with both kids, to teach about color mixing, and matching under different light, etc. Then they wanted the hole drilling on the wheel sidewalls they saw in a book last year, so we did that with a little fixture I built for the job. We scraped wheels, and treaded the wheels, and polished the wheels, and polished the nails, and packed in graphite. All of it with the combined goal of making them fast, and working together alone while we talked about important things.

The Racing Kit Box…...
Last November I went to a family lumberyard auction back in my home town, a place my dad worked for many years, a place that I had fond memories of from my visiting there while growing up. I also counted inventory in the cold dark back rooms and attic on breaks during my college years to make a little money. The family lumberyard closed when the big box lumberyard stores came to town, and it all sat in place for ten years before the family decided to end an era and sell off the contents of the buildings, and the buildings. It’s a sad thing really for the community.

Locally to where we live now, another small family lumberyard shut down this past Fall, and it surely seems hard to make money providing materials for customers with the new competition and the economy. What those big block stores in the City have in inventory, they don’t have in character and customer service though….the family owned lumberyard may be a distant memory for all of us soon I fear. We’ll all surely miss going to a family store and asking someone for help that has been working the store since they were a kid, solved every problem before that anyone could come up against, and knows where it all is in the store, or where else to find it. If you’ve never known a store like that, you’ve missed something important I feel. They even have a box of peanuts to munch on while you wait for your bill to be totaled up. Ever experienced a place like that? Ok, back to the story…..

The big lumberyard auction was a two day auction, but really it should have been four days. I ended up with some cool “picking” items, and a big Powermatic 18” Planer, and a big Central Machinery Shaper. Both were things I needed for the shop. I also went home with two cool looking old Siding Salesman Sample Cases for $1.00 each. I thought that one of those cases would make a neat carrying case for my carving gouges collection, but after laying out all of the gouges on the bench, it was clear that I needed a much bigger case. So, the old case was just sitting in the shop while I was trying to figure out how to carry our growing collection of Pinewood Derby cars and tools to the races. At this point, it just seemed that we were past the cardboard box, and needed something more professional looking. I looked over and the thought hit me that the old Salesman Case would be perfect for the cars and tools, except I couldn’t take all of the cars, that would take a bigger box still. I made the decision to pack our two new cars, and four of the other fastest and best cars we did earlier, and all of the tools we might need for race repairs, spare parts, etc.

At the Races….and the Results
The racing was broken into two divisions, the Scout’s, and the Open Outlaw division. We thought that we’d get the siblings and parents involved in making cars with their kids if we had a place to race them, separate from the Scouts. We decided to use the same rules for both divisions. Riley took 1st in the Scout’s Division, and Rachel took 2nd in the Open Outlaw Division. That was a good showing, but not my goal for the whole she-bang. We’ve had a good time spending quality effort together on a common goal, and it has really helped our relationships with each other as a Dad/Kids. There’s no trophy for that, but there are greater rewards.

As for the Trophies…..
I offered to build trophies for the races this year. I decided to make ONLY a 1st Place trophy for each division. All of the other cars would be given a certificate highlighting certain aspects of the car (i.e. most realistic, most creative, etc.). Now, I realize that making only One Trophy is a little counter cultural today. In today’s world, we seem to want all the kids to feel like winners, so many of the sports teams are giving out trophies to all the kids for participation, regardless of their efforts, practice time, missing practices, or success in the competition. I don’t think that is good for us long term as a culture. So, my little contribution to turning back that momentum, came in the giving of only a 1st Place trophy. After my kid won my donated trophy, I wasn’t sure that it worked out quite like I had hoped. But, it’s done now, and we’ve had our last official Pinewood Derby Pack race, since my son will be moving onto BSA after this. Up next is the Outlaw Races in another town that my nephew’s Pack puts on in March, and so we are making plans for prepping cars for that event…..together.

Love me or hate me, I’m just telling you what we did, and the why’s.
thanks for reading along,
Mark

P.S. as I was proof-reading and typing up this posting, my son came into the office, rubbed my back with his hand, and said to me, “What do you want to do together now Dad?” Does it get any better than that?
Go join scouts you Dads and Moms!

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Our Car Photos

2013…So Far….

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2012

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2011

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-- Mark DeCou - American Contemporary Craft Artisan - www.decoustudio.com





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Napaman

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#1 posted 551 days ago

Fun stuff…I need to make one!

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DocSavage45

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#2 posted 551 days ago

Mark,

I work with kids better than I work with wood. LOL! I get the kids in trouble and help the families reconnect in positive ways. Mostly through play and understanding about what a deveioping brain needs. We also discuss when the window of opportunity closes. I think you slid in under the wire to connect. Woodworking is for the most part all about “me”.

When parents learn to play with their kids (have fun) and encourage the “you can do this” spirit, vs. protect them the child becomes more peaceful. And the family does too. I think uou got it!

Really miss your creative and descriptive story telling.

Great integration of you and the kids!

I’m edging my way into the wood…LOL!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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Greg

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#3 posted 551 days ago

Mark, that is a HANDSOME bunch of cars! This was a great read my friend. Lessons to be had all around. Can’t believe teachers are now telling kids they can’t speak of God! Congrats on the wins, and nice trophies too. Way more detail than I would ever expect on a PW Derby car. I just cut out a few for my friend’s kids, and they looked NOTHING like yours LOL! I have been working with the same kids for 3 years now. I use the band saw an cut out what they want. Then, this year for the first time, I allowed them to finish sand the cars on my Oscillating Spindle Sander. Anytime, you can get them to “have skin in the game”, I think it is a good thing. Also, congrats n the new power equip! The Powermatic 18” Planer becomes one slick machine when fitted with a spiral sheer-cut head from Byrd tool Corp. SUPER quiet with minimal tearout. I know firsthand.
Again, great post.

-- You don't have a custom made heirloom fly fishing Net? http://www.Sierra-Nets.com

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Karson

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#4 posted 551 days ago

Mark: A great read. Glad that you got to spend time with the kids. and glad to hear that they are doing fine.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#5 posted 551 days ago

Nice fleet of cars, Mark. Can’t believe that at least one wasn’t hand carved. Guess there’s time for that a little later. You’re on the right track, putting your family over your work. I spent 12 years in the USN and got out, had a son, then I went back in the Navy when he was 5. Missed a lot of birthdays, Christmases, and ball games, and I’ll never get them back. Enjoy your family every chance you get. Thanks for the good read. Hope you got Rachel’s teacher straightened out.

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#6 posted 551 days ago

Another though provoking narrative, thank you.
I too am trying to dedicate more time to working WITH my kids and not just for them or them for me. Hope that made sense. We are doing this with livestock and 4-H projects / activities. I need to make more specific time as you did.
I couldn’t aggree more about “sports” in our overall educational experience and the over focus on sports in our society in general. I usually chalk up the sports fervor as something to keep the masses distracted from what’s going on around them. Enough on that!
Tell the kids, Good Job, on the races and Good Job to you too.
Later, BTKS

-- "Man's ingenuity has outrun his intelligence" (Joseph Wood Krutch)

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#7 posted 550 days ago

Great post—beginning to end.

God bless! Keep up the good work!

Peace -

Glen

-- Glen, Pennsylvania, Colossians 3:23 "Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men."

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#8 posted 550 days ago

well mark you should know by now that i love you buddy, your a great father and im sure a wonderful husband, and you have been a good friend to me ever since i came here, ive loved the emails ive gotten from you and i always love to hear about your family, oh how i wish i could do it again, and apply what i learned the first time, i love your approach to how you want to raise your children, its a really hard time now to raise children, and i think your going to do it right, your trying hard, and i know its going to make a difference with how your children turn out and your relationship..i really enjoyed your story here, a real and true story..so are you out of the dog house for the planer and shaper…lol…to bad on that band saw, i would have loved to get it, i dont have one, and sure would love to have one some day…well enjoy your night, and have a good sabbath…grizz

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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Mark A. DeCou

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#9 posted 550 days ago

hey guys thanks so much for the encouragement.

Many years ago when “Martin” approached me about joining his brand new woodworking forum called Lumberjocks, he asked that I post “content” and focus on the “why’s” of a project, and not just on the dimensions and finish on it. He had a vision for a forum that revolved around a central appreciation of a passion for wood, but yet went deeper than just wood. I was pretty nervous about it to say the least, and never write anything, even the shortest comment, without pondering if I really want “that” locked into the internet for eternity. Sometimes I change my mind on something, and the old thoughts may be really embarrassing in the future. At least I think about it pretty hard, and I wish more people did also.

He asked that I try to post the motivations and inspirations behind my work. I’ll admit, at first I was pretty nervous about the “publicity” that it would cause to share what is happening inside my head, and around me. Some of what goes on in my head isn’t fit for public consumption. The more I read about how a certain “search engine” is working on AI using internet searches, and face_ is using everything in my head to sell advertising, the more I feel compelled to shut up and sit down. And, I wonder at times how much better the future for me will be if I’d just shut up. I used to write a lot more before I came to realize how all of the changes coming were speeding up, and it may all be used against me some day.

I’ve had my share of bad “scrapes” with folks from the internet that didn’t agree with me on this, or that. But, the encouragement to share my stories has been motivational enough to continue on in the effort Martin assigned to me.

I’ve been counseled by several folks over the years that to protect my business, I should not share anything having to do with life, family, politics, or religion. However, if you take all of that away from me all I have left is “wood”, and that’s not all that interesting to write about. At least not interesting enough for me to sit and sweat out a long diatribe and worry over the grammatical issues, spelling, punctuations, and my tendency to write meaningless, long, run-on sentences with too many commas.

Still, I’ve pondered this particular posting for quite awhile, as the pieces started to build and put together a lesson for myself on what is important, knowing other people have the same issues.

Wondering how to say what I wanted to say, without offending everyone to the point that my “point” was missed in the reason for writing it. I’ve been trying to write in such a manner, so that even if you disagree with me, at least you will hear me out, and maybe take away something to ponder longer than the next click by your mouse (or finger for you new I-Pad style users). I decided to touch on several different cultural issues I see happening today, and try to tie them all into one silly little woodworking story.

Many years ago, 18.5 to be exact, I had my priorities in life completely scrambled. I was headed along with the pack on every cultural issue you could come up with. Then, God met me on a lonely road (figuratively) and shook my world. Nothing has been the same since. Since that day, I look at the “pack” running here, or there, and it just seems more correct to go the other direction. Sometimes it’s not always as easy as I make it sound. Sometimes the “pack” is actually running a direction that seems “natural” to me, but is counter to God’s Word. Anyway, here I go again running on and on, and I tried several years ago not to run on and on in “comments” since once they are locked down, I can’t go back and change what I said, or how I said it.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement,
Mark

-- Mark DeCou - American Contemporary Craft Artisan - www.decoustudio.com

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#10 posted 550 days ago

What wonderful work! It’s great to see how you are enjoying life and your journey with your loved ones.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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#11 posted 550 days ago

well mark i do know that the road home to god is usually the road less traveld, and the road is a narrow one..as long as we stay on the right road we will do well….i really appreciate your voice here…

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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#12 posted 550 days ago

While I didn’t read most of your post, I did stop and read about God in schools and things like that.

I completely believe that the reason our country is in the state it is in is because of a major falling away from God. Myself, I’m a God fearing Christian I just pray that somehow our country and world could come back to God. But, as a believer in God and his Word I also know that the Bible talks about the world turning from God and being a wicked place filled his godless people. Which is where it seems where are today.

It also goes on to say that He will come back and take His people (Christians) up to be with him and hell on earth will begin until he restores the earth for us (Christians) to come back to and enjoy in all it’s glory.

I think the best thing you can do for your kids is to get them into a good church with an active youth program. One that is not only God centered but also fun for you kids to keep them interested and so it doesn’t seem like a chore or school that they must attend.

Myself, I’m a volunteer Upward basketball coach at our church coaching 1st-2nd grades we are in the middle of the season and having a blast and also trying to teach the children about God, His promises and the way he expects us to live our lives.

Another thing I’m doing soon is going to El Salvador on a mission trip this year. I can’t wait for that! It will give me a big chance to spread God’s truth to needy people who are hungry for the Lord. Which leads to another problem I think we have is that American’s are not “hungry” for God. We have to much other stuff to fullfill our desires like porn, drugs and alcohol, fast food and ridiculous reality TV shows. None of which will ever truly satisfy us….

Dang, I kind of went off on a tangent there. Sorry about that.

God Bless!

-- Dothan, Alabama Check out my woodworking blog! http://woodworkingtrip.blogspot.com/ Also my Youtube Channel's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/SailingAndSuch

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#13 posted 550 days ago

Good story, and great time with the children. We all need to spend a little more time with the kids, and a
lot more time thinking about what we do and talk about when we are with them. Thank you for sharing the
journey.

-- As ever, Gus-the 75 yr young apprentice carpenter

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#14 posted 549 days ago

Mark,
You have great foresight in recognizing the most important things in life. My kids are all grown and left the nest and I often regret not being a better teacher of life’s most important lessons. I’m hoping to make up for it some day with my grandkids…. if I ever have any. Always enjoy your posts.

-- Common sense is so rare anymore when you do see it, it looks like pure genius.

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#15 posted 549 days ago

Now, that is way kool. Someone is beeming with pride.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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