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Project by KnickKnack posted 07-27-2012 10:18 AM 2658 views 16 times favorited 18 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I was looking for a small, challenging project to practice (or develop) my joinery skills – I figure by now I ought be able to put bits of wood together in a half-decent way.
I actually tried this “finger mitre spline” joint (maybe it has a proper name, but I don’t know what it is) a year or so ago on a tray that never saw the light of day – it was just too bad to be worth finishing – so I thought I’d revisit it in another context – that extra fatness at the 45° join seemed to be begging for a cigarette to be laid on it, so here it is. Of course, I used my magic 45° router table jig to do this…

I carefully bookmatched the ash end grain, but that all fudged out when the finish got put on – another thread suggested shellac to preserve the end grain colouring, so I’ll try that when I can find some.
I forgot (again!) that things at 45° need to be longer, which is why the joining blocks don’t extend fully into the holes on the inside. I think that’s 4 times I’ve made that mistake now – you would have thought that someone with a Mathematics degree would know better, or would at least have learnt better – but obviously not!
I’d hoped that, by using the oak in strips with the “quartersawn bit” turned upwards, I’d get some good action on the flecks, and, for once, that worked. I fumed it, then sanded with 600 until the flecks got back to their original colour, but not so much that I didn’t sand through the dark on the non-flecks.
The red is somewhat darker and richer than you see in the pictures.

Ash and fumed oak. About 15cm square x 35mm high. Linseed oil finish.

As always – comments, thoughts, criticisms, suggestions for improvements most most most welcome.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."





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Roger

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#1 posted 07-27-2012 12:00 PM

This is pretty kool. Some nicely cut box joints with that neat sled

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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Paulo in Texas

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#2 posted 07-27-2012 02:24 PM

That looks too nice to put ashes in it but I do love the design.

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Kookaburra

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#3 posted 07-27-2012 02:31 PM

Somehow the idea of a beautiful wood and a flaming match or smoldering ash just do not belong in the same picture. But good luck!

I really like the corner design. I am going to have to keep that in my ideas file.

The photo of the pre assembly pieces reminds me of the reason I struggle. I could never look at that stack of pieces and visualize the finished project.

-- Kay - Just a girl who loves wood.

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Ken90712

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#4 posted 07-27-2012 02:57 PM

Man that is cool and way to think outside the box!!!!! Great work.

-- Ken, "Everyday above ground is a good day!"

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Joe Lyddon

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#5 posted 07-27-2012 03:52 PM

A very unique way to make a Tray... no BUTTS allowed here... LOL

... BUTT a nice tray for whatever… coins, nuts, paper, etc.

COOL joinery… great idea!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Steven Davis

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#6 posted 07-27-2012 04:24 PM

Beautiful design, but shouldn’t you want the splines grain to run horizontally?

It is a slick joint, but the vertical grain looks weak, though in this application it can’t really matter and the double spline should help.

-- Steven Davis - see me at http://www.playnoevil.com/ and http://www.stelgames.com/

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DocSavage45

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#7 posted 07-27-2012 04:38 PM

Like the way you think Mr. Math/woodguy! LOL!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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Joe Lyddon

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#8 posted 07-27-2012 06:25 PM

Yes, I think the grain of the corner pieces should be going Horiz. instead of Vert.

(but, in this small piece, it probably would not make much difference.)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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KnickKnack

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#9 posted 07-27-2012 06:25 PM

Beautiful design, but shouldn’t you want the splines grain to run horizontally?

Indeed so – it should.
But I looked at that, and it just didn’t seem right, and I liked the bookmatched end grain bit on the top. Before the finish fudged it up it looked like this…

And someone somewhere else said something like – “Don’t forget, it’s a box, not a football”, so I figured it would be strong enough.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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Joe Lyddon

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#10 posted 07-27-2012 06:33 PM

Sneaky COOL! LOL

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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CLWidener

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#11 posted 07-27-2012 10:36 PM

Nice looking joint. Good job.

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vipond33

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#12 posted 07-27-2012 11:31 PM

Don’t know if I mind the interior gaps at the corners. If it were flush it might look too much like the work of a Mathematics major, preening. Extending the corner coves vertically might be interesting and if combined with a slight vertical taper on the sides so that they diminish might be quite elegant too. Add a hair of a downward slope on the top surfaces and you’d get more than a passing grade in geometry from me.
The grain orientation on the corner is spot on IMHO and gotta love the red, especially just peeking out underneath.
gene

-- gene@toronto.ontario.canada : dovetail free since '53, critiques always welcome.

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gfadvm

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#13 posted 07-28-2012 12:51 AM

VERY cool joinery that I have never seen before.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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rance

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#14 posted 07-28-2012 07:04 AM

Nice ‘Tray’ made using ‘Ash’, thus the name Ash-Tray. You all are really slacking on this. :P At least Joe tried though.

That’s one clever joint there KnickKnack. I agree on the grain direction as to strength. it is simply not needed. I may have opted to align the grain horizontally and dealt with end-grain on the corners. Not better, just different. The bookmatching for the corner splines is another step in the attention to detail that puts this tray above some others. A very neat effect with sanding just enough to bring out the ray flecks.

Edit: Sanding endgrain to 200 grit past the face grain can also help sometimes in preventing the darker colors. YMMV.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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majuvla

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#15 posted 07-28-2012 08:34 AM

Thanks for posting ’’how to’’ photos.Very nice

-- Ivan, Croatia, Wooddicted

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