Thorsen Greene and Greene Hall Table

Very nice. This is something I would keep in my home.

-- Ron, Twain Harte, Ca. Portable on site Sawmill Service http://westcoastlands.net/Sawmill.html http://westcoastlands.net/SawBucks2/phpBB3

I love Greene and Greene, that is beautiful.

Nice table, and I’m familiar with your reason for building it, ”at the request of my wife because she want another place to put Christmas Decorations.”

I’m curious, though, I thought the figure 8’s were specifically for attaching a solid wood top because in theory they can move. Have I been misled?

-- If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit. No use being a darn fool about it.

Another lovely piece Karson. Those decorations should look nice on it. As will anything else!

-- Betsy - There is no strength where there is no struggle

You do good work Karson.

-- Maplewood, MN

Outstanding, Karson!

After looking at the blog, I’m still not sure I understand how to make those cutouts, though

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

Karson,

I was excited to read your blogs about actually using the sap wood in a “fine furniture” piece. I don’t see a problem with using sapwood in a piece of furniture, but it should be done with thought and consideration to how it will affect the overall look of the piece. A bit of sapwood showing up in the middle of a table top glue-up doesn’t look quite right, but it certainly can have its place in professional-looking work.

Bravo to you for using the sap wood to your design advantage! I love the symmetry of the bottom shelf. I think you really pulled it off well and accomplished what you set out to do.

I agree, though, the figure 8’s were designed to be used for attaching tops to aprons. I think the key is in making the forstner bit holes overlap the edge of the apron enough to allow it that wiggle room it needs for expansion and contraction…

For a more traditional look, however, you could always use hand-made “L” clips set into a groove in each apron, similar to the “Z” clips in concept, I believe. That would be another great place to use sap wood, too…

-- Ethan, http://www.merganserwoodworks.com, http://greystonegreen.blogspot.com/

Beautiful table Karson.

-- miles125, Alabama.."Architecture is frozen music""

And thar she be in all her glory!! Really looks great, Karson. I too like the sap wood. good for you.

-- Thos. Angle, Owyhee Design, Oregon

Karson, that’s a great table. The blog was excellent as well!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

Beautiful job Karson. That sapwood sounds like a bit of a challenge but you overcame the obstacles to produce a very fine product. well done.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

i love it!!!

-- Matt, Napa, CA...SING WITH ME: "Sum...sum...sum...summ...summ...summ...summertime..."

well thought out and executed . nice work karson

-- if you aint the lead dog the scenery never changes

Russel The figure eight don’t have any movement except sideways. So to use them on solid wood tops you would have to mount them at a 45 deg angle to the apron so that the top could expand and contract. As Ethan said you need to cut the forsner bit and allow the figure 8 to have the required wiggle room.

Since I have both kinds, I went with the “Z clip”.

Another construction note. The table top is glued into the breadboard in just the center tenon, the rest of the top has no glue into the breadboard pieces.

The splines are glued in the section that is inserted into the Top, there is no glue on the breadboard section of the spline. So the top is allowed to move and the spline can slide in the breadboard section.

I thank you all for your kind comments.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

CharlieM If you look at the book article here.

You can see in the article the picture of the spline. Now they are showing pounded ends where I made mine square. The go into the top 1/2” and 1/8” is outside. So You use 5/8 width wood on the top section.

The breadboard sticks outside of the top by 1/8” on each side. so the spline is 3/4” wide in the section that is in the breadboard. You glue the section that is in the top. Everything else floats.

The picture shows the inside edge on the breadboard section cut about 1/8” in. I left mine totally flat and cut an extra 1/8” deep in the breadboard so that when the top shrinks it will not bottom out on the bottom of the breadboard dado.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

Karson – this is a beautiful table – I enjoyed the progress reports and the finished project does you proud.

-- CanuckDon "I just love small wooden boxes!" http://www.canterburybaptist.org/

CharlieM You said cutouts and I read Splines. Were you asking about the cutouts in the middle of the aprons or the splines.?

If you don’t have the original article from Popular Woodworking on the Thorsen Greene and Greene Tables send me you e-mail address and I send it to you. Anyone else can do the same. Popular Woodworking gave us the authorization to pass it out to people on LumberJocks. It was early this year it was the cover photo in their magazine. I’m thinking Feburary 2007.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

Looks like you robbed that design from somewhere…but it sure is nice.

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Great table. Cherry looks nice now. Give it it ten years and it will be incredible

-- ..... smalll army of cast iron wingnuts !! cool photo in FORUM

What do you mean I robbed it Dennis. It’s my own interpretation of a Greene and Greene Plant Stand of about 100 years ago.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

And your design was gorgeous last spring and it’s still gorgeous now!
(that was the point, right? That it matches the one from the challenge? Or did I miss something?)

-- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

A little longer, a little taller and the new spline. Same cutouts. Just what the customer wanted.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

Very nice work, I love the design details. Merry Christmas!

-- Bob A in NJ

Karson,

Do you always hold your project plans down with large blocks of blackwood???

-- Ethan, http://www.merganserwoodworks.com, http://greystonegreen.blogspot.com/

Ethan; How observant of you. I bought a bunch of it a few years ago and I keep looking for ways to use it. I guess I’ll have to go to Pink Ivory next.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

Beautiful table Karson.

-- Jiri

Great Job Karson!

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

What thoughtful use of the wood – great looking outcome! Love the cherry…and the blackwood details…

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

Beautiful work..what more can be said? Well done Karson.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

I’am really starting to like this greene & greene furniture…looking forward to making a few projects… and by the way someone said just wait a few years and checkout the color change in your project…this is the reason why cherry is the wood of choice for me…it ages so wonderful … nice work Karson…Blkcherry

Another gem Karson. Really beautiful. Put a coaster under that pointsettia for goodness sake!

Hey Ethan, the guys got so much wood he probably brushes his teeth with it at night ;-)

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt.

I knew it you robbed it from Greene and Greene! lol

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My wife finally decorated the table.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

Beautiful. And the clock looks perfect over it.

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt.

finally… it feels like home :)

-- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

Nice work, Great accenting details.

-- Marty Ohio

Nice job. As all of yours.

-- Jiri

Karson, I really like the style of this table. I don’t think I’ve seen breadboard ends like that on a side table before. Great details and craftsmanship throughout the piece.

-- Dust collectors suck.

Great-looking table I understand very well those honey do list. Also thanks for the welcome to lumber jocks.

-- Sonny Edgwood,Md.