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Firstly, let me say that this is NOT my design. A client approached me with a photo of this chair and the request to make him one. I asked him about the photo, but he couldn’t or wouldn’t say where it came from, muttered something about getting it from his son…

I have to feed my kids, so I went ahead and built it with mixed feelings, knowing I am copying someone’s design without permission. If anyone recognizes the design, I will be happy to know where I can beg forgiveness/ask belated permission!

The chair is made from Grey Poplar (Populus canescens) which I harvest and mill myself (sucker for punishment). I scaled dimensions ergonomically and it is actually quite comfortable to sit on. Doesn’t look it.

-- Div @ the bottom end of Africa. "A woodworker's sharpest tool should be his mind."





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Mary Anne

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#1 posted 11-14-2010 09:41 PM

I like it! Such a unique design. It looked like an optical illusion at first.
How did you attach the single leg/arm?

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patron

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#2 posted 11-14-2010 09:53 PM

interesting chair
don’t know the designer

i did some chairs years ago
on the bottom of the originals was the designer/builders name

i did talk with him
and got permission
but wrote all his info on the two i made
them added my own name to mine only

you might write something like that yourself

‘designer unknown ,
from a photo given by _
made for him by div
permission pending’

well done div

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Jamie Speirs

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#3 posted 11-14-2010 10:04 PM

Div, it looks very much like a design by Marcel Breuer.
Or Not.
Jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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BritBoxmaker

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#4 posted 11-14-2010 10:18 PM

Div, this is the Steltmanchair by Gerrit Reitveld. He was an early 20th century designer who belonged at one point to the De Stijl movement. He also designed the Red/Blue chair

As far as I can tell the only difference is in the positioning of the left (my pic) upright. This pic was just gleaned from Google images. I don’t know if its still copywriteable after this sort of period of time. You would need to check into that.

He was famous for publishing some of his designs for other of his contemporaries to make. I don’t know if this was one of them. Needles to say hes not around anymore.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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rivergirl

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#5 posted 11-14-2010 10:21 PM

Div- I think I would have just made the chair – Don’t ask don’t tell… as they say in America. ;) I like the chair- you always do great work.

-- Homer : "Oh, and how is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain."

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mafe

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#6 posted 11-14-2010 10:34 PM

Wauuuuu, Div. It’s a beautiful chair.
I’m sure you know this chair:

This is his most famous.
You made a beautiful job on that chair, it’s beautiful in the light wood.
I love it!
Best thoughts,
your brother Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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shipwright

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#7 posted 11-14-2010 10:37 PM

Interesting design, Makes me think of Martin Escher.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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Jamie Speirs

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#8 posted 11-14-2010 10:39 PM

Nice one Martyn, same time frame.

This is one of Marcel Breuer’s that reminded me of the lines.
jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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BritBoxmaker

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#9 posted 11-14-2010 10:41 PM

Did you know, Mads that the Red/Blue chair you have shown there was originally unpainted, in a light wood, similar to Div’s Steltmanchair. He only painted the Red/Blue after he joined De Stijl movement. Possibly influenced by the Neo Plasticist, Piet Mondrian. I’m full of useless crap, me.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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SuburbanDon

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#10 posted 11-14-2010 10:41 PM

Interesting !

-- --- Measure twice, mis-cut, start over, repeat ---

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BritBoxmaker

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#11 posted 11-14-2010 10:42 PM

Yes, Jamie they were both about at the same time and I’m sure that, as now, there was a cross-pollenation of ideas. I find all three of these chairs fascinating.

And before I forget, Div, you have done a splendid job on the Steltmanchair.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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jmichaeldesign

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#12 posted 11-14-2010 10:49 PM

Technically its not a copy. Your arm attaches to the face of the back not the bottom, your arm extends past the leg. If you can find one more slightly significant difference you’re good to go. Change three almost insignificant things and you’re good to go. Different material is probably good for the third thing, and I’m sure the material is slightly thicker or thinner. I would also say that your reproduction is completely ethical as it appears this Rietveld made this chair for one customer, not for production, and it certainly is no longer produced.

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Jamie Speirs

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#13 posted 11-14-2010 10:49 PM

Martyn,
there were an amazing amount of designs during that time.
Still copied today.

Mad’s
yes. That is nice. Would like to have seen it pre-paint. :)

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Div

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#14 posted 11-14-2010 10:53 PM

Martyn, good on you! Thank you so much, I don’t think I will be in trouble!

Mary Anne,certainly a unique design, wish I could say it was mine!The leg is attached with 2 dowels.

Patron, that is good advice for the future, thank you!

Rivergirl, in this case I really wanted to know about the origin of the design!

Mads, thank you. Yes, I know that one!

Alba, I don’t know Marcel Breuer. Guess I have to do some study work…

-- Div @ the bottom end of Africa. "A woodworker's sharpest tool should be his mind."

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Jamie Speirs

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#15 posted 11-14-2010 10:57 PM

Div, he is known more for metal and leather. You will have seen his style many times.
He did not often use wood.

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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