| Project by Daren Nelson | posted 271 days ago | 802 views | 0 times favorited | 19 comments | ![]() |
I was reading here about how different guys store their wet stones. I decided to show how I store mine, dry by the way. I am sort of a wet and oil stone nut. I am a professional sharpener, but even as a kid my Dad taught me how to use a oil stone to put a razor edge on a pocket knife (8-9 years old ?).
I use my stones for the obvious knives, chisels, plane irons…I read alot about Scary Sharp and honing jigs and other gadgets on these forums. For the novice they are great. I am a freehand sharpener. I use a combination of man made wet stones like Carborundum (silicone carbide) and naturals for sharpening, or in other words grinding an edge on. And natural oil stones for honing/polishing to a razor. I don’t want anyone to think free hand sharpening cannot produce as good of results as the jigs and scary sharp, that would just offend me (kinda like calling me a liar)
I put a video on YouTube of me sharpening a dull butchers knife to a shaving instrument in less than 60 seconds with my wheeled sharpening/polishing grinder. I had some guys comment I was a “hack” on the video. I just crank those deli knives out like that because I will see them again next week, they are hard on them. For true honing I use the stones.
Ok now the quick and dirty project, nothing fancy just functional. I am proud of my stones (don’t have alot of money in them, but have been lucky to find some good ones) and wanted to keep them from being damaged. I have had them in a tool box separated by foam padding, but that is just not very cool trying to get everything situated back in there right. I had many times thought about making a wooden chest for them. But I knew as soon as I did I would find a couple more stones and the box would be the wrong size.
I just picked out my favorite/most used stones and threw this little thing together out of some scrap white oak. You can see how it works, closed up they more or less protect each other. I can swing out the one I want and remove it from its holder. I left the dowel a little long, I figure I will run across a another stone or 2 that I will want to add. I can just make another holder for that stone and since the holders can slide up and off the dowel I can add my new stone in the appropriate order.
I have 2 Carborundum stones on the bottom, they are 2 sided for a total of 4 grits from course down to under 400. Then 2 naturals one finer than the other, followed by 2 oil polishing stones on top. I have “sacrificial” cheap stones that I lap all these with. It is important to lap your stones as they wear to keep them flat. I have silicon carbide powder I mix with oil/water and just rub the stones together.
Gosh, this is more like a blog that a project, but I am not much of a blogger I guess, just long winded. Thanks for taking the time to read it all. Here is one more picture of the thing closed up. I think hand sharpening with stones is a very Zen thing, you get into the groove and you just know it is going to be sharp. For beginners it can be frustrating, but once you get the hang of it, it is very fun and easy (or am I just weird?)

One more thing. Here is that video of me sharpening with a machine, if you are interested. I removed all the rude comment guys who did not know what they were talking about posted. They were ignorant, they did not know any better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_KceD0e_WY
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19 comments so far
MsDebbieP
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posted 271 days ago
gee .. that sure was a great BLOG …
Do we get a video of you “not” using the machine?
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Daren Nelson
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posted 271 days ago
”Do we get a video of you “not” using the machine?”
I am working on some more videos. First is conditioning your stones, that is step one to good sharpening.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 271 days ago
excellent!!
(will the first one give us tips on what IS a good stone?)
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DAN
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posted 271 days ago
too cool. great read.
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dalec
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posted 271 days ago
Hand sharpening knives/tools has been a mystery to me. I have just enough ability to get something sharp enough, but never have been able to get razor sharp. Never taught how to do it.
Dalec
Bob #2
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posted 271 days ago
I like what you are doing. Teach me!
Bob
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rpmurphy509
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posted 271 days ago
Neat idea for storage, and a huge helping of food-for-thought on sharpening.
Looking forward to some more videos.
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Thos. Angle
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posted 271 days ago
That’s a good system for storing the stones.clever.
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John Gray
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posted 271 days ago
Teach me too I’m a knife collector and have had trouble sharpening for years. I’m sure tool sharpening will give me ideas about knives in general.
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Daren Nelson
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posted 271 days ago
I guess I can put together a sharpening series. It’s funny how I learned sitting beside Dad, watching and listening. That is part of it too, the sound the metal makes on the stone. Kind of like when a batter hits a home run and doesn’t have to look up, he can tell by the sound of the “crack of the bat”. You can tell when you are making good contact (continuing with my baseball analogy) with the stone. You don’t have to swing hard, just right. You can feel it in your fingers too.
It is funny. I was just talking to my wife the other day about knife sharpening. I have guys drop pocket,fillet,hunting…knives off here all the time. They could not sharpen them to save their lives, they tried. Not knocking a guy who can’t sharpen a knife, just making an observation and how it relates to the past.
I shave with a straight razor, I think just for the novelty of it (and to keep my “skills”). I was shaving and we were talking. There was a day, not so long ago, that every man had to know how to sharpen. Sure some would go the the barber shop to get a shave and a shoe shine. But most had a straight razor a razor hone and a strop, that was their shaving kit. Some of you fellers are old enough to remember them, I am 40, heck they had triple blade comfort razors before I had whiskers. Totally off subject, maybe?
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Karson
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posted 271 days ago
Great storage design. Nice job. I sat through Frank Klausz seminar on tools and he showed us his sharpening station. Two stones Norton Waterstones.
And his fingers jig for sharpening.
-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com
Dorje
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posted 270 days ago
I like the storage system Daren! A couple q’s -
How often do you flatten the stones you use…
and,
Do you use a strop?
-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA
MsDebbieP
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posted 270 days ago
I’m pleased to hear that you are “going to” do more blogs/tutorials on sharpening! :)
(and yes, the shaving definitely relates to this conversation)
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Daren Nelson
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posted 270 days ago
Dorje, how often I flatten them depends. The water stones are softer and need it more often. That is how water stones work they let loose particles and the slurry helps the sharpening process and keeps the stone from getting clogged with metal. I guess I don’t have a real answer other than when I think they need it. I probably do it more often than absolutely necessary, I have seen guys use well cupped stones and do good work with them. I am just more comfortable with a really flat stone, it is easier for me to keep the proper angle. I think a flat stone will be easier for a guy to learn on too, that is why I mentioned lapping them as a first step to using them.
And yes I use a strop, every knife that I sharpen gets stropped. That little video I linked, I stropped that knife after I shut off the camera. I have a leather with a rough side and a smooth side. The rough side has jewelers rouge worked into it. The smooth side is the last step in sharpening.
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CharlieM1958
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posted 270 days ago
Thanks! I enjoyed the video, too!
Like you, my dad taught me how to sharpen a knife at a very young age. Sometimes when I see all these jigs and systems I feel liike I must be really missing the boat. It’s good to know that someone out there is still doing it the old-fashioned way.
-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"
mot
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posted 270 days ago
Pretty cool! Great video!
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Douglas Bordner
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posted 270 days ago
Great project/blog Daren. I still use the old man’s carborundum oil stone, a ceramic and a strop to freehand knifes. Plane irons and chisels, I use scary sharp system. But just like Pop (and you-I just watched the video) the final test is to shave some hair off the back of my arm to test to see if I’m done. I think your “Shop Thing” is genius.
Tell us more about your machine sharpening wheels/system!
-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.
Daren Nelson
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”Tell us more about your machine sharpening wheels/system!”
They are just 8” cardboard wheels on a bench grinder. One wheel is coated with 400 grit aluminum oxide power (just rolled in yellow glue, then in the powder). The second wheel is coated with jewelers rouge to polish off the little burr the other wheel leaves. They sell those wheels for like $20 a pair with extra powder for “recharging”. If you have a good eye and a steady hand in a very short amount of time a person can learn to sharpen just that fast and well with that system. The wheels can be found on eBay. I got several with my sharpening business and 100 lbs of abrasive powders . I use those powders for many other things too, like honing hair clipper blades and such on another machine. The clipper hones are just a flat metal plate that revolves and you hold the blades to it with honing powder sprinkled on the plate.
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Dusty56
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posted 28 days ago
very nice system and information …thank you
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