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Project by Bukata posted 09-10-2017 09:28 PM 952 views 0 times favorited 24 comments Add to Favorites Watch

One small job in my workshop. Wooden overlay on the door.
Video about the production can be viewed here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9D2JAAEC7w

-- https://www.youtube.com/user/MrBukata





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bazz135uk

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#1 posted 09-10-2017 10:49 PM

The end result looks amazing.. But so wish I was looking at this and being amazed at a carvers talent with malet and chiesel ! I could not make this either the traditional way or have no idea how you programme a CNC . But there is a missing link with CNC. Its not made with passion its not made from the heart. Its not a result of a life times worth of mistakes and inner imagination and errors .
There is a very divided attitude to CNC products and there is a place for such. Just each time I see CNC projects I always wish I could be sat here saying Wow that guy has amazing vision and incredible skill.
I know you need skills to do CNC but in my eyes its not art. If I buy a painting I want to know a human has painted it not a robot.
Please dont be offended I am just trying to state a preference for raw talent.

-- BAZZ, WINDSOR UK A workshop is not a luxury . We need it to preserve our sanity in this frantic world we live in. A place to be at peace.

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#2 posted 09-11-2017 02:05 AM

Very cool. Thanks for sharing

-- Leafherder

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#3 posted 09-11-2017 02:08 AM

That’s a great looking lion’s head.

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#4 posted 09-11-2017 12:02 PM

Nice!

-- Woodworking......There's no app for that!

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#5 posted 09-11-2017 12:50 PM

very nice,,, good amount of detail.

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#6 posted 09-11-2017 01:37 PM

This is a fine piece of CNC work. Beautifully done.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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DS

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#7 posted 09-11-2017 03:03 PM


The end result looks amazing.. But so wish I was looking at this and being amazed at a carvers talent with malet and chiesel ! I could not make this either the traditional way or have no idea how you programme a CNC . But there is a missing link with CNC. Its not made with passion its not made from the heart. Its not a result of a life times worth of mistakes and inner imagination and errors .
There is a very divided attitude to CNC products and there is a place for such. Just each time I see CNC projects I always wish I could be sat here saying Wow that guy has amazing vision and incredible skill.
I know you need skills to do CNC but in my eyes its not art. If I buy a painting I want to know a human has painted it not a robot.
Please dont be offended I am just trying to state a preference for raw talent.

- bazz135uk

Admittedly, I don’t know how the OP’s program was created. However, companies such as Raymond Enkeboll Designs have a team of Master Carvers with decades of experience who put all their passion and creativity into hand carving the prototype for each piece. (That process takes a couple of months) The finished prototype is then scanned and has tool paths optimized for the CNC routers that carve them. Each of the production pieces are then dressed by hand carvers to finished then item.

CNC is not some magic thing where you just say, “Computer, carve me a lion’s head” and one magically appears on the machine. Without a carvers talent, mallet and chisel, there is no lions head – even on a CNC produced piece.

To your painting analogy: You’ve never bought a print of a famous piece or artwork? Or, maybe you only own original Picasso’s and Rembrandt’s? I know you wish you could say it was an original art piece, but you just got a mechanically reproduced print of one. Maybe next time.

EDIT: Because I know someone will say it, yes, I see he used ArtCAM to make his g-code, but ArtCAM did not create the original 3-D model/artwork which is the basis for this carving.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#8 posted 09-11-2017 06:09 PM

Nice! How will you sand the fine lines that remain?

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#9 posted 09-11-2017 06:13 PM

Very fun. Thanks for sharing.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#10 posted 09-11-2017 06:16 PM

.... companies such as Raymond Enkeboll Designs have a team of Master Carvers with decades of experience who put all their passion and creativity into hand carving the prototype for each piece.
- DS

Seems you agree with what he said. You also used the same word. “Its not made with passion its not made from the heart.”

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with the viability of CNC in woodworking or it’s place. It lacks the “human element”, that even you mentioned and what he expressed is missing from a piece machined by a computer-driven cutter.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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DS

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#11 posted 09-11-2017 06:25 PM


.... companies such as Raymond Enkeboll Designs have a team of Master Carvers with decades of experience who put all their passion and creativity into hand carving the prototype for each piece.
- DS

Seems you agree with what he said. You also used the same word. “Its not made with passion its not made from the heart.”

I don t think anyone is disagreeing with the viability of CNC in woodworking or it s place. It lacks the “human element”, that even you mentioned and what he expressed is missing from a piece machined by a computer-driven cutter.

- builtinbkyn

I only quoted bazz135uk’s words before making my post.
This is not the same as saying it myself. Re-read please.
I am saying that the original design has to have passion and heart to even exist.
Since, I do not know who made the 3D model that he routed into wood, I cannot credit him for that.

Only my point is, at some time, someone had to come up with the design for it. Computers don’t have that kind of imagination, but too much Star Trek makes us think we can just ask the computer to be creative and it happens without any effort. This is not reality.

What I do know, is that the OP did a nice job making this Lion’s Head. Even if it was someone else’s 3D model, it took skill and effort to make tool paths that work and have some resemblance of the original model.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#12 posted 09-11-2017 06:56 PM

@Bukata, that is a really nice carving. I am impressed with what is possible with a CNC, I almost want to make one myself for my front door!

I wish there wouldn’t be an argument on someone’s personal project posting, about for/against CNC. Yes, there is a difference in technique, but it doesn’t matter. He made something, he’s proud of it, and he wanted to post it. Go him!

-- -Will, FoundSheep Designs

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Bukata

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#13 posted 09-11-2017 07:05 PM

Thank you all. I’m not saying that my works are works of art. But I want to show you how you can do beautiful things with modern technology. I’ve been getting my experience for 15 years and now I can do my job quickly and efficiently. This is what I can be proud of now. I will not often post my work here, but some of which I find interesting will be shared with you.

-- https://www.youtube.com/user/MrBukata

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builtinbkyn

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#14 posted 09-11-2017 07:12 PM

.... companies such as Raymond Enkeboll Designs have a team of Master Carvers with decades of experience who put all their passion and creativity into hand carving the prototype for each piece.
- DS

Seems you agree with what he said. You also used the same word. “Its not made with passion its not made from the heart.”

I don t think anyone is disagreeing with the viability of CNC in woodworking or it s place. It lacks the “human element”, that even you mentioned and what he expressed is missing from a piece machined by a computer-driven cutter.

- builtinbkyn

I only quoted bazz135uk s words before making my post.
This is not the same as saying it myself. Re-read please.
I am saying that the original design has to have passion and heart to even exist.
Since, I do not know who made the 3D model that he routed into wood, I cannot credit him for that.

Only my point is, at some time, someone had to come up with the design for it. Computers don t have that kind of imagination, but too much Star Trek makes us think we can just ask the computer to be creative and it happens without any effort. This is not reality.

What I do know, is that the OP did a nice job making this Lion s Head. Even if it was someone else s 3D model, it took skill and effort to make tool paths that work and have some resemblance of the original model.

- DS


I’m not arguing your point that there is some skill involved in using a CNC. You did say it took passion and creativity and decades of experience to make the original. That seems to where your post and the other post met.

The OP did a nice job with it. Not arguing that either. I know it’s a delicate subject, so I leave it at that.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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Green_Hornut

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#15 posted 09-11-2017 08:04 PM

I also have a cnc and for one it has helped bring a new level of detail to my projects. I do not have the talent or the skills to carve much less create a project like above. You will notice that Bukata came right out and said he did it with a CNC and he’s not trying to pass it off as being hand carved. I have read many an argument on these forums about the benefit of them and also folks who seem to think that CNC is the end or woodworking. It’s a tool, nothing more, nothing less. And those of you who act as the purists of woodworking, how many of you come out and state with every project that you used a table saw rather than ripping with a hand saw or surfacing with hand plan rather than a power planer. People use tools, some more modern than others.

BTW, nice job on the lion head model.

-- Mother Nature always bats last.

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