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Project by szczyglic posted 05-07-2010 06:34 PM 2214 views 4 times favorited 17 comments Add to Favorites Watch

My sincere apology to “michelletwo” the author of orginal project that I did copy of his/her work but I simply could noy resist to do one only for me. I am realy awfully ashamed and ungry too – why it is not my idea !?

-- Szczyglic - Krakow - Poland





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peruturner

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#1 posted 05-07-2010 07:05 PM

Nice work I been thinking to do something similar after I saw a french turner have some of those,well done

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Chelios

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#2 posted 05-08-2010 04:25 AM

Very intriguing …is it a spirit?

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szczyglic

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#3 posted 05-08-2010 06:30 AM

-The Size is I – H-30”, W-20”
- Could be a spirit!

-- Szczyglic - Krakow - Poland

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michelletwo

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#4 posted 05-08-2010 11:23 AM

I am not amused. You asked why you did not think of this. How could you have? You are not me. The title of my piece is SELF PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS AN OLD PERSON. I am 30 year veteran of disability. A woman who struggles daily to navigate life. Not only is life painful & exhausting, it is poverty making in a country that views medical care as a profit making enterprize. You sir, took my artwork, and made me invisible once again. Yes I’m an old invisible woman and an invisible old disabled person. You used my expression of my life, for your own purposes and then mocked me on a world wide forum. Mangled limbs..broken spirit..disconnection to able bodied life is all in my piece. Yet, my piece shows defiance. The spalted base shows the frailty of life. The mangled body & tortured mind are there for the viewer to see. The tough stance, with feet firmly planted on the uncertainty of my connection with the world. I will never again post an emotional art piece here on LJ. Please feel free to copy my interpretation of Windsor chairs, shaker furniture, or anything else I have posted. To those of you who commented on SelfPortrait when it was posted here, a few days ago, I appreciate it.

-- We call the destruction of replaceable human made items vandalism, while the destruction of irreplaceable natural resources is called development.

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michelletwo

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#5 posted 05-08-2010 12:49 PM

Imitation is the highest form of flattery? I started a blog on this ..trying to see what folks think of copying other’s work. What do we owe the artist? Anything at all? Should we be polite and tell the artist we like their work and wish to copy it? I give S. credit. He” manned up” when he posted it and said he copied it, from me. Good for him . This is an age old question. How do we handle it on LJ??

-- We call the destruction of replaceable human made items vandalism, while the destruction of irreplaceable natural resources is called development.

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velo_tom

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#6 posted 05-08-2010 04:05 PM

Guess I never thought anyone would get offended by creating something that someone else has posted. I’ve come to this site quite often looking for knowledge and ideas. I hope to be able to offer the same to others in return. Szczyglic, you’ve offered an apology I don’t know what else can be done. Your own work and effort went into what you have made, you didn’t take what someone else built. I just don’t think you have done anything wrong. I feel the very fact that you made a similar project compliments the person who made the original. If michelletwo feels her work is art and not to be copied perhaps it should not be posted on a woodworking site, but rather an art site.

-- There's no such thing as mistakes, just design changes.

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#7 posted 05-08-2010 11:03 PM

I think it’s a great immitation. As long as you aren’t selling it or profiting from it, I’m not sure what the problem is.

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#8 posted 05-09-2010 01:50 AM

One can interpret art however it moves them. I think it is a turtle…

-- A thing of beauty is a joy forever...

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Bradford

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#9 posted 05-09-2010 04:04 AM

Your re-creation of michelltwo’s “SELF PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS AN OLD PERSON” is what we all do here. We see something inspiring, and we try to make one too. Maloof inspired rockers, Andy’s boxes, Triferns vases, all have been somewhat copied and had a different feature added to them, to make them personal. I admire you crediting her, but you didn’t do anything wrong. Your version of that piece, is yours.

-- so much wood, so little time. Bradford. Wood-a-holics unanimous president

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Woodstock

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#10 posted 05-09-2010 10:05 AM

As someone who has spent an inordinate amount of time looking and admiring others work here on LJ for my own inspirations. I would respectfully like to inform you all that if you ever see me post anything that even vaguely resembles any of your work, it was solely because of the “Wow! That’s cool. How’d they do that?” factor and/or “Can I reverse engineer enough of what I see here of a cool design to come up with a similar process to stretch and expand my own very limited skill set as a hobbyist”.

It is not to steal or plagiarize anyone’s work as szczyglic was so wrongly accused of, nor is it to make anyone “invisible” as michelletwo claims she’s been made of. (After reading all this I’m know michelltwo is most certainly NOT as invisible as she claims.)

Rather in the future I’m most certainly staying clear of a (very small) number of individuals for any possible ideas or inspiration. There are too many others here that do want to share their knowledge and talent with others without any (imagined) strings attached or fallout.

As for any project I post, please feel free to copy / improve upon / change to your needs. That’s what I’ve come to expect here from LJ. No reason to change a working example of net dynamics to inform and inspire others along the way.

-Dave

-- I'm not old. Just "well seasoned".

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degoose

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#11 posted 05-10-2010 10:29 PM

I took this photo over a year ago…

It looks remarkably similar in technique.. did you copy this…?M2?
Personally, the lack of symmetry defines the artist..i think the last pic is wonderfully fun….
As to copying… I am flattered that so many have tried to emulate my designs..please continue to do so…

-- Drink twice... and don't bother to cut... @ lazylarrywoodworks.com.au For lovers of all things timber...

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SCOTSMAN

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#12 posted 05-10-2010 10:33 PM

I have a woodworking turning book at home showing this exact method so it’s an older idea not thought up by anyone here as far as I know.So no need to get your knickers in a twist pretending the design is a family heirloom or such nonsense all of the stuff in books can be copied otherwise the designers would never have published it for you to try.Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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antmjr

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#13 posted 05-11-2010 01:16 PM

I totally concur with Alistair

-- Antonio

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JAGWAH

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#14 posted 05-11-2010 02:50 PM

Everyone needs a big chill pill. We all share here and everyone builds most pieces because they saw it somewhere and liked it. The best ideas are stolen, frankly. If a persons idea or design is so special do what you have to to protect it and then go market your uniqueness. Otherwise, is this some sort of sick immortality ego that if I built it first know one else can so it goes with me to the grave.

I can’t begin to tell you all the inventions and ideas I failed to act on that would have made me an elevendybajillionaire. My bestest invention however was the pet rock which I invented in 1968 but failed to market, I was 15. Young or not I blew that one big time.

-- ~Just A Guy With A Hammer~

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JAGWAH

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#15 posted 05-11-2010 10:01 PM

The mind is a conduit open to all things. Inventions and thoughts are just so much flotsam tossing about in the universe. Just floatin about until someone gets it and when they do they’re seldom the only one. So it’s up to the individual what they do with it. Some do nothing and yet others make millions. Eventually as we get older we’re less receptive to the static of ideas. We get bitter and claim we was robbed. But really we just robbed ourselves by our lazyness and failure to act.

You and me Noto invented the pet rock along with countless others. We just failed to act on it, of course at 8 or 15 we’re allowed one dumb failure to response.

-- ~Just A Guy With A Hammer~

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