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Project by robscastle posted 03-05-2016 02:47 AM 1115 views 2 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Strange title? but sounds familar?...thats because its a direct steal of:- Boxguy ups his game, so whats the connection? well none really apart from the process used.

Al has a Marble drill specifically for making semi circular holes in timber for marbles.
It just happened I was making a large set of dominos at the same time and was about to drill the dimples or more correctly pips, whe Al posted his project.
Along with the post AL provided a link to another Project he did using the Rockler tool he has.
It was just what I needed to do my dominos so I set off in search of the item in Australia, non to be had anywhere.

So as the production of my dominos had halted pending the piping I decided to use a router bit on my Radial Arm Drill

The Material:
No 2 Son had some spotted gum flooring installed and I “secured” a few off cuts with the intention of making “something”

Planning:
I did a lot of planning on the location of the pips and the locations repeated on various numbers symetrical positioning and cosmetic appearances. You know all that sort of good stuff, one can never do too much planning right? (wrong more on this later)
I determined I had only enough material to make a “6” set only, that being 28 tiles, so I set to work.

Firstly the offcuts had been lying outside and had all gone dark due to weathering and tanin staining.
I was not overly concerned about this as I knew I would be sanding it all out (wrong thought again)

As I made the pips swapping tiles back and forth for the current drill setting I became more and more confused with my complicated drilling process and as a result drilled pips in locations which were not needed there.

No real problem I thought I will drill them out and plug them (you guessed it wrong again)

What I failed to realise the timbers had vastly dfferent natural colours see picture No 1
Attempting to use a plug from the rear was out of the question as it would have been a dead give away to the double six!

Using a router bit in my Radial Arm Drill was not the best way to do the pips either, as the backlash in my XY vice and overly complexity of a RAD added cumulitative errors which were very noticable in both the pip positionng and also the depth, again see photo one.

I then had a “brainwave” and thought my dremmel would fix the errors, (Oh here we go,... wrong yet again), it made them worse so I quit that idea fast, see the yellow pip.

Next to the yellow “crater” sits one of the supposedly “spare” blanks I planned for but had incorrectly drilled.
It was one of these pieces I attempted to turn into a double six, by plugging one hole.

Well you possibly think by now its a total bin job but I have asked my Son for some more off cuts to replace the “goofs” and fix the errors.

Finishing:
I painted all the pips in and then sanded all the tiles to 320 grit and applied citrus wax finish.
The center divider was simply cut with the table saw and the sharp edges rounded over.

Today I take No 3 son to the racetrack and upon arriving I see a tool shop so I go looking for the elusive marble drill, not here either but I do see a ball ended die grinder bit, so in frustration I bought it and returned home set up the test block and drilled six pips, and then took a look at it.

The pips were 100% improvement on finish but the backlash in the vice screw is still creating a problem as the dis positioning is very obvious.

Time of task to date is 2 days, maybe I should have gone to my friend Larry and with his CNC he could have done a perfect job whilst we had a cup of coffee!!

Well I can only say “Still Learning this WW craft” (The hard way Too)

Enjoy,...... and learn from my mistakes maybe !

-- Regards Robert





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Joe Lyddon

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#1 posted 03-05-2016 02:59 AM

Domino… or is it Geranamo! :)

No Snake Eyes…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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CFrye

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#2 posted 03-05-2016 05:10 AM

Rob, thanks for sharing your Oops! Glad to know there are other human woodworkers out there! Good on you for sticking with it and finishing them up! I need to check into that marble bit!

-- God bless, Candy

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BobWemm

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#3 posted 03-05-2016 06:47 AM

Pretty cool Rob, learning never stops hey!
Thanks for sharing.

Bob

-- Bob, Western Australia, The Sun came up this morning, what a great start to the day. Now it's up to me to make it even better. I've cut this piece of wood 4 times and it's still too damn short.

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ZAGREB

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#4 posted 03-05-2016 09:24 AM

yes,as we get older ,we are more children
thanks for sharing
cheers,Bambi

-- bambi

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JoeinGa

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#5 posted 03-05-2016 01:37 PM

We learn from our mistakes, so no doubt you’ll get through this trial and error process. I’m sure you will end up with a quality product !

-- Perform A Random Act Of Kindness Today ... Pay It Forward

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Boxguy

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#6 posted 03-05-2016 07:03 PM

Rob, thanks so much for the “shout out.” To save viewers the time of looking around for it, I included a couple of links in my comment.

Link to the marble drilling bit.

Link to my project using the bit.

Sounds like it was quite an adventure. I am wondering if you could use a jig with nine holes to guide the process? Maybe you just need 7 holes for numbers 1-6. I am thinking you could align the holes with the jig, turn on the drill, and then cut the hole, turn off the drill, re-align the jig, tury on the drill and make the next pip. You would only need a center hole for the five and three. I’ll have to look at my set and see.

Can you order from Rockler or Amazon in Australia? In the USA I can order it on line, and it comes up the drive in two or three days.

Good luck, I like the idea of a radial arm drill.

-- Big Al in IN

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majuvla

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#7 posted 03-05-2016 07:40 PM

I love this game very much. You’ve done it very well. I like colours and the size of them.

-- Ivan, Croatia, Wooddicted

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robscastle

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#8 posted 03-05-2016 10:06 PM

Hey …thanks for all the comments of support!

I can actually make dominos correctly! back in May 2011 I made a set from ebony for Grandson/ Granddaughters
The timber has no surface finish, (apart from the white paint) they are just polished with a compound. It looks like I never posted them as a project, I made a perspex template for these and used a conventional drill bit as the were so small (or normal size in this case)

Strange tough as timber Ebony, very dense it does not float in water, I found this fact out washing then after I had polished them.

Feedback:
Now some well deserved feedback fom all your nice comments:

Joe Lyddon. The snakes eyes are in there somewhere Joe.

CFrye. Thanks and here is a picture for you. Boxguy is the man with it, so if he is nearby you.

BobWemm. I enjoy “playing about” and hopefully get things right.. eventually, it keeps me thinking and occupied.

ZAGREB. I am not sure what is happening I drop stuff every now and then, go to the movies and then forget the name of the movie, cannot see as well and all sorts of other weird changes going on.

JoeinGa. Once I get some more timber a full and more impressive set will be finally achieved.

Boxguy. I picked up the link and that was what sent me looking, Amazon is available in Aust but the shipping costs are a bit on the excessive side at times and I had to wait, and I wanted to finish the dominos, another “wrong Idea”

Majuvla. Thanks and hence the added picture of the ebony ones.

-- Regards Robert

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Joe Lyddon

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#9 posted 03-06-2016 08:08 AM

Fantastic work…

I can see you setting up Stop Blocks for a given Drill Spot… and drill all of the required pieces…
Change the stop Block, etc. and do it gain for all of THOSE spots… etc. etc.

Must have been a FUN project… keeping track of all of the Drilling Spots to be done, etc. etc.
... into Ebony… No Less! GUTs Ball!

Thank you!

I could never pay attention to those spots… I just liked to place them up on end next to each other to make them fall into each other… That was FUN!

Have fun!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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crowie

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#10 posted 03-08-2016 11:20 PM

Top job Rob… I wonder if we can get one of those Insty-Bit Marble Drill Bits in Australia??

-- Lifes good, Enjoy each new day...... Cheers from "On Top DownUnder" Crowie

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robscastle

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#11 posted 03-09-2016 07:24 AM

Hello Crowie.

None on ebay, not even our asian friends with free postage had them listed, not stocked by Masters or Bunnngs or any other Specialist stores Carbatec for one.

All very annoying so

I decided to go direct to Insty-bit.com but is not on their product line, odd.

You can get it from Rockler and possibly Lee Valley but you have to pay freight costs on top of the purchase.
Amazon, the same deal add postage.

Something I will Have to Keep a marble out for somewhere !!

-- Regards Robert

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Cathie Zimmerman

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#12 posted 03-09-2016 07:36 AM

First, super cool! Second… I agree that it’s nice to see others out there not being perfect. It’s so easy to present an online perfect persona, it’s quite another to be authentic and present a true one of a kind item. Those are my favorite projects! I love projects that DONT look cookie cutter. :)

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crowie

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#13 posted 03-09-2016 08:27 AM



Hello Crowie.

None on ebay, not even our asian friends with free postage had them listed, not stocked by Masters or Bunnngs or any other Specialist stores Carbatec for one.

All very annoying so

I decided to go direct to Insty-bit.com but is not on their product line, odd.

You can get it from Rockler and possibly Lee Valley but you have to pay freight costs on top of the purchase.
Amazon, the same deal add postage.

Something I will Have to Keep a marble out for somewhere !!

- robscastle

THANK YOU

-- Lifes good, Enjoy each new day...... Cheers from "On Top DownUnder" Crowie

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stefang

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#14 posted 03-31-2016 02:23 PM

Half the fun is having a challenge and you are obviously having fun (and learning at the same time). Keep up the good work Rob!

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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