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I had a couple of ideas for this joinery challenge. I decided on the desk, I have been wanting to build one for some time. I used red oak for the main parts of the desk, poplar for drawers and maple for drawer supports.

When I visited Mark DeCou last winter, he encoraged me to challenge myself in order to better my woodworking skills. There were a couple of times I wasn’t sure I would figure out a path to end my project. I thought about my design in my head for about a week. Playing out what order I would need to assemble parts in order for all the dovetails to lock the carcass together.

The legs took me the longest with the left, right, front and backs to consider. Sometimes measuring twice and routering once didn’t work, the left/right thing got me.

Drawer supports were designed with the drawer guide dovetailed in the back of the front support so when slid into the front leg would lock prevent guide from moving side ways, the back of the drawer guide slid into another slot. After the side boards and panels were in, the drawer guide was locked in between the front and back legs.

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Side boards are slid into dovetail slots in legs. I was pleasantly suprised after assembling the first section how square and tight the sliding dovetails made it. Although they were not the easiest to alwasy figure out on the router table. Fence moved in or out can have a backwards affect from what you may think is going to happen.

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I did have to make a couple of changes along the way. First I wasn’t sure I would beable to make the top slide together being 5’ long. And the top is secured to the base with dovetails on the tops of the eight legs. I made keyhole slots in the bottom of the top to accept the dovetails. As I had the long boards laying on top of the desk, I realized that while moving a desk you normally pick it up by the ends. My top would not have been able to support this type of weight hanging from it and the center dovetail joints would break. I decided to run boards front to back over the legs, this solved the lifting problem and the possible problem of sliding 5’ of dovetail together.

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Drawers have dovetails front and back, The handles were a nagging thought I had while building the desk. I never did have a clear solution on how to mount these. I started thinking about Don’s mallet with “Blind Fox-Wedged Tenon”, I tried to cut a piece of dowel and drive it into a hole in the handle and the drawer face but could not get it to seat at a consistant depth. The solution I used was pinning my dowels in the handle first then the drawer face second using a second smaller dowel.

Dowel pinned in handle.
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Dowel and handle pinned in drawer face.
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Cross Section of handle and drawer face.
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5 coats laquer on top and 3 on sides and drawers.

Although my original intent was that I was not going to use glue or mechanical fasteners in the construstion of the desk; and after reading Karson's comment on plywood ”No one has asked, but I’ll bring it up. In my mind no plywood, because that is glued. The constructor of the project might not have glued it but it is a joint and it does have glue.

I don’t want to be a stickler about this, but, I think that is what the description of the contest states.

So that means no veneered projects either, in my mind.”

I sorted through the wood I had left and was not going to have enough to resaw and replace the panels in the sides and still complete on time. So unlike what Don was able to accomplish with his box, I do have plywood in the construction.

Overall this was a fun and frustrating project. In the true spirit of a challenge I have learned new techniques and some problem solving ideas I will be able to use in the future.

-- Joel Tille


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MsDebbieP

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posted 397 days ago

well done Joel. Achieving a personal goal. That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it?!

The desk is beautiful and wow… the planning, the skill, and the patience involved. I am very impressed!

Well done.

-- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 397 days ago

Thanks Renissance Man – I have repaired many antiques (in bad shape) that we pickup at auctions. Even when the glue has dried and cracked over time, the dovetail drawers still stay together. That was some of my inspiration for the dovetails. The sides that are tongue and grooved are what fall apart and nobody wants to take the time to fix them. Saved many from the burn pile or dump

-- Joel Tille

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Karson

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posted 397 days ago

Great looking Desk Joel. Nice job on the sliding dovetails. Did you use a router table or another jig?

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 397 days ago

MsDebbieP – Thanks for the kind words, I played out the sequence of how to assemble the desk over and over in my head. trying to solve my obsticles that may arise. It ultimately became a puzzle after while, what parts to fit together first then second so you could continue without having to disassemble to put a piece in.

-- Joel Tille

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 397 days ago

Karson – I used a router table (cruedly made). I learned to use a spacer when making the tongue of the dovetail.

If all boards are not exactly the same width, you can not set up the fence and flip the board front and back. At first I got tight and loose fitting joints, then I solved it with a spacer against the fence for one side of the board and removed the space to router the other side.

-- Joel Tille

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GaryK

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posted 397 days ago

Great job! The dovetails are a great stroke.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

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RJones

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posted 397 days ago

Very nice Joel truly amazing!!!

-- http://rjoneswoodworks.com/

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mot

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posted 397 days ago

Really a nice piece.

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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Mark DeCou

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posted 397 days ago

wow, awesome job Joel. Great photos also, very informative! Thanks for the comment about your trip here, you were pleasure to meet and host while in Kansas. We look forward to another chance to meet in person.

What’s next on your project list?

Mark

-- Mark DeCou - Kansas Flinthill's Artisan

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 397 days ago

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

-- Joel Tille

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Joel Tille

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posted 397 days ago

Mark – Thanks, and i enjoyed my trip to Kansas, look forward to the next trip.

The extra photos hehe, i had to go back to the learning center, setup an account with photobucket. The summer challenge has made me learn more than just woodworking. I had a terrible time getting the photos to be small enough to see in the text area. Then when I was loading one of the three photos that goes at the top, I had some kind of application error. had to reload everything, so finally got correct size photos.

Next on project list – have niece and nephew come and stay this week, and next week go to the Omaha Zoo. 3-1/2 hr drive, well worth it. Niece asked yesterday at a family get together when she could come and stay, usually would have happened last week. The desk got the better of me, would not have finished on time.

Beyond that – father-in-law has friend that has a 55’ boat. In order to get it home he cut the top wind shield off of it. Now he wants a removable windshield, the father-in-law gave him my name. So we will see what happens. My first set worked good.

-- Joel Tille

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Aubrey

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posted 397 days ago

What a great project.

With all the high skill projects that are being showcased here I am almost embarrassed to show off my amateur efforts.

Very well done.

Perhaps one day when I have the shop space and the time to devote to it I will be able to do work like this.

Aubrey

-- Jesus was a Jewish carpenter.

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farmgeek

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posted 397 days ago

Great work Joel – gives us amateurs something to aspire to!

Don’t worry Aubrey, my project got upstaged by this great piece just after I posted :)

John

-- John, Auckland New Zealand - http://www.farmgeek.co.nz

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Lee A. Jesberger

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posted 397 days ago

Joel;

Very nice joinery work! I especially liked the sloted sliding dovetails you used.

Also, attatching the handles was very creative.

An excellent project, I must say, and well written article.

Thanks,

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Don

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posted 397 days ago

Joel, this entry is indeed a real tribute to your woodworking skills and ingenuity. This is truly a classic piece considering it is entirely done without glue. I never expected an entry of this magnitude, because as the piece increases in size and complexity, the greater the nature of this challenge.

Although, needlessly as it turns out, I was a little concerned a few days back that the joinery category was really struggling to get some worthwhile entries, then Karson and you produce two spectacular projects.

Simply outstanding!

-- CanuckDon "I just love small wooden boxes!" http://www.canterburybaptist.org/

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Drew1House

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posted 397 days ago

Awesome… I am not kidding… you better catalog how to undo the thing as it would be a bugger for anyone else to figure out how to undo.

I am amaized as to the degree of talent involved in this contest.

Drew

-- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah

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scottb

2855 posts in 770 days


posted 396 days ago

ambitious project for this category, and a informative step by step… well done! What a innovative way to attatch the handles. Great desk.

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Vincent Van Gogh

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Brent

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posted 396 days ago

Very impressive. Very neat way you doweled the handles.

-- Brent - Shreveport, Louisiana

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oscorner

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posted 396 days ago

There’s no place for a hobbiest here! Awesome work and design. Great looking solution on the drawer handles as shown by your cross section cut a way. It’s perfect…there’s nothing else to say.

-- Jesus is Lord!

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 396 days ago

Thanks for all the comments …

Aubrey – Don’t be embarrassed, be proud of what you have accomplished in your journey of woodworking. I joined LJ’s after reviewing some other sites, This one seemed very inviteing. On one of the other sites people were almost to critical of up and coming woodworkers that i felt would discourage them. Time is another issue, I wasn’t sure I could finish on time when I started. Not being able to glue definately created challenges on how to hold it together.

Farmgeek – I get inspired everytime I log on. I look at some of the projects that are posted and hope someday i can build like that.

-- Joel Tille

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Joel Tille

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posted 396 days ago

Don – Yes the size, at first I thought I could build it all with sliding dovetails no problem. A piece that would push me further than most of the antique furniture repair we occasionally work on.

Whats the problem?, Every once in a while I would hit a wall and not sure how to proceed, I would finally walk out of the shop sit on the porch and mull over how to proceed. I finally took vacation time from the day job to help finish on time.

-- Joel Tille

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Mark DeCou

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posted 396 days ago

no glue? I missed that in the article. Wow, what an entry for the challenge, and a day early!!!

I’ve been using Flickr for my photos to use in articles. Now, they tell me I have to upgrade to a paid subscription, as I am over their 200 photo limit. I may have to try photobucket now.

great job joel,
mark

-- Mark DeCou - Kansas Flinthill's Artisan

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Joe_F

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posted 396 days ago

Beautiful piece, masterful building! Too bad there had to be glue in the plywood you used, otherwise it’d be perfect.

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 395 days ago

I hadn’t thought of the glue in the plywood in the beginning, I was going to build it without myself using any glue, screws or nails.

Karson highlighted recently in a blog about the plywood which set me back. I did not have enough lumber on hand to finish with slats. The base had already been stained and finished. I still accomplished what I first set out to do, not to use glue, screws or nails myself.

-- Joel Tille

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Dick Cain

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posted 394 days ago

What a magnificent entry. This one will be high on my list.

It’s hard to believe that a project of this magnitude could be finished on time for this contest.

The planning alone must have set you back quite a bit.

I don’t think the use of plywood should disqualify you in any way.

After all, it wasn’t you that made the plywood.

Your wood must have to be all at the same moisture level for a project like this, because I’ve made some things ,that after a period of time, the joints would loosen up.

-- Dick Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Bob Babcock

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posted 394 days ago

An amazing project. I don’t think the plywood should effect voting at all. That was brought up kind of late in the conversation. Veneer I could see…clearly a use of glue. You certainly could have used solid panels had the concern for plywood been stated at the beginning.

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 394 days ago

Thanks Dick and Bob … One of the drawbacks of living in a small community. Grain elevator, meat locker, post office and a bar. Nobody sells lumber. Nearby town’s lumberyard’s selection is very limited and high priced; mainly to home construction. Next big town is about 30 miles, has a chain store there, not orange or blue. I like to coordinate my lumber purchases with a visit to the sister-in-laws in Des Moines. Woodsmith has much better selection of many species of wood. Des Moines is about 100 miles one way. So just running out and getting more wood didn’t neccessarily fit my schedule late in the challenge.

Thanks again to all who have viewed and commented.

Maybe next week i will post photos of a desk I made for my mother years ago. using a circular saw, jig saw and a kids imaginations. Laughing will be permitted, probably required.

-- Joel Tille

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Chip

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posted 394 days ago

Joel, this is a wonderful piece of craftsmanship. Outstanding. Am looking forward to seeing that desk you made for your mother, and any other projects you post as well. Thanks for sharing your talents with us.

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt.

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schroeder

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posted 394 days ago

Wow! – I can’t even describe how impressive this is! wonderful craftsmanship, very inspiring, thank you for posting the process!

-- The Gnarly Wood Shoppe

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Joel Tille

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posted 394 days ago

Thanks Chip and Schroeder – I will need to get some photos of moms desk to post. Keep your handkerchiefs handy.

-- Joel Tille

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dennis mitchell

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posted 394 days ago

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robbi

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posted 394 days ago

This is really amazing. I am very impressed. One could only hope to be able to do something this nice. Very nice work.

-- robbi

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Obi

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posted 393 days ago

Fabulas… got my vote

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

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Mr2A

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posted 393 days ago

Beautiful!

-- I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon

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RobS

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posted 393 days ago

A++ for detail. Great job.

-- Rob (A) Waxahachie,TX

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 393 days ago

Again thanks for all the comments everyone, this was a very interesting project.

-- Joel Tille

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Bob Babcock

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posted 387 days ago

Great job Joel. Congratulations!

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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Don

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posted 387 days ago

Wow! couldn’t be closer – congratulations on the win!

-- CanuckDon "I just love small wooden boxes!" http://www.canterburybaptist.org/

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Chip

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posted 387 days ago

Unbelievable piece Joel and well deserved win! Congrats!

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt.

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PanamaJack

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posted 387 days ago

WOW! Just fantastic work. I cannot think of anything that hasn’t already been said here. Thanks for sharing the picture show. Congradulations.

-- Carpe Lignum - Seize The Wood,

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Joel Tille

200 posts in 687 days


posted 387 days ago

Thanks everyone, this was very interesting. When I first explained to Susie what I wanted to build and how I had planned it in my head for a couple of weeks. I told her I wanted to win the hand plane (missed that one), she said after I told her my estimate on materials “Wouldn’t it be cheaper to buy the plane” . My response: Where is the challenge in walking up to a shelf and picking one up. Guess I’ll have to do that now.

Thanks to everyone that voted for my project, and thanks to all who entered.

-- Joel Tille

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furnitologist

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posted 386 days ago

Hi Joel…..................even a photo finish couldn’t determine a winner.

Your desk was a very bold statement of your woodworking abilities. I loved how you reached for the next level and that’s what these challenges are really about. Not so much fir winning, but testing your skill-set, then looking for the next project. Can’t wait to see more of your work.

Neil

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Lee A. Jesberger

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posted 385 days ago

Joel;

This is a great display of your talent and imagination for problem solving. The joinery is very creative and beautifully done. A job to be proud of for sure.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Andy

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posted 336 days ago

What can I say that hasnt been said.Wow! That is some very tedious joinery and alot of it.You really went all out on this project, and you did well.Very well.

-- " Stubborn tenacity substitutes for natural ability" ANDY

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Rich H.

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posted 322 days ago

Thank you for being such a craftsman and sharing your skills. I am truly motivated

-- RMH Designs

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shaun

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posted 321 days ago

What an amazing desk. Just it’s appearance alone has a commanding presence. The joinery, detail, technique, and creativity send it off the charts! Absolutely masterful and thank you for sharing it.

-- I've cut that board three times and it's still too short!

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ND2ELK

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posted 213 days ago

Hi Joel

You are a true master of the craft! While being in woodworking for over 40 + years I have seen none better. Thank you for allowing us to see this beautiful desk. You can go to ND2ELK and see the kind of work I enjoy doing.

TOM

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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rikkor

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posted 212 days ago

I am glad this came out of the archives so I got to see it. Great job.

-- Maplewood, MN

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