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Project by schroeder posted 08-18-2009 10:43 PM 5381 views 7 times favorited 17 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I’ve been promising my friends bar stools for about two years now. I could never come up with a design I liked. Then I discovered Green and Green & the work of Darrell Peart (and others). I found inspiration and this is the design I came up with. The plan incorporates some G n G features, cloud lifts, scalloped back, ebony pillowed plugs and the leg indent (thanks very much to Darrell Peart for his insight in his book “Greene & Greene : Design Elements for the Woodshop” – A great read as well as great reference!).

So this really is a prototype. Before I batch out eight/ten of these – please give a little feedback on the design and let me know what everyone else thinks. I’ve made mistakes/changes on this one (pretty obvious when you look close) and the seat is crude & rough, but it’s my prototype and it’ll stay in the shop – pretty nice for a shop stool though! Quarter sawn White Oak body, Black Walnut seat, African Blackwood for the accents – fumed 24 hours and finished with Arm R Seal sealer & satin (still needs waxing in these pix).

Little feedback please – Thanks!

Schroeder

-- The Gnarly Wood Shoppe





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#1 posted 08-18-2009 10:47 PM

Wow Schroeder very very nice great wood and wonderful build

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#2 posted 08-18-2009 10:54 PM

Thats great Schroeder. I like the Greene & Greene look also.

I’m not sure that I like the Cloud lift in the thickness area of the back. I like it on the edge.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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schroeder

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#3 posted 08-18-2009 10:58 PM

Thanks Jim – hope to come visit you someday!

Karson – thanks for your thoughts – Cronk & I had lotsa discussions about that and whether the thing looks “busy” – jurys still out, but I thought slat/stiles would look awkward…

-- The Gnarly Wood Shoppe

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#4 posted 08-19-2009 12:07 AM

Schroeder:

Here is the Blacker hall seat with it’s distinctive back

And the Thorsen Splat Back Dining Room chair.

The Thorsen dining chair is from Greene & Greene Creating a Style by Randell Makinson and Thomas Heinz. Most of that book is about home designs with only a little about furniture.

The Blacker Hall Seat is from Shop Drawings for Greene & Greene Furniture by Robert Lang.

Just a little more to chew upon.

You have Darrell Peart book first drawing in Chapter 21 has the Greene & Greene Side Chair with a little different back.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#5 posted 08-19-2009 12:11 AM

I agree with Karson. The back rail details make it look busy. I would also change the lift to a tsuba and eliminate the extra rise in the lift detail. Can’t wait to see the next version.

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#6 posted 08-19-2009 12:23 AM

I think it looks great! I just got Darrell Peart’s book and can’t wait to try some of the new details I’ve learned.

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#7 posted 08-19-2009 01:14 AM

I have no discernible opinion regarding the dual axis lifts on the splats. I thought it looked like a lot of work vs. just an edge treatment, but beauty is in the eye of the maker. I did want to say that I really like the foot shelf. and as a person who might have spent too much time on a bar stool in days of yore – I thought that looks extra-nice and comfortable.

I probably would have made a drop-in upholstered seat vs. all the scorp and travisher work you’ll do for a full set of stools.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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#8 posted 08-19-2009 02:12 AM

“Some G n G features”? It looks like Darrell’s class in Port Townsend! Exquisite. This is why you’re my LJ Buddy. I love that book too. I got a signed copy at the Gamble House. The fact that you went the extra mile and fumed it is very cool. Did you do the ramped gouges?

I will say a couple of things: I don’t remember seeing any “diamond” plugs in G&G, but I could be wrong. Aren’t they mostly square to the horizontal? Also, in my silly opinion, the cloud lift on the foot rest is a bit much. What about an ebony-splined breadboard end that protrudes on either side? Otherwise, this is one of the nicest pieces I’ve ever seen.

I’m getting ready to make some modified Rodel chairs and I will also be doing the prototype/batch process. Thanks for sharing. Did you do a blog?

I would love to see a tsuba inlay, but was unable to find it in Robert Lang’s inlay book. I might have to AutoCAD one and post it. Having taken Japanese sword classes for several years, it really hit home.

Although the detail on the back splat may be a bit much, I think it actually takes the chair to a whole new level, exponentially classier than anything store-bought.

That’s an interesting and tough decision that Bordner brought up. I think that G&G should incorporate as much wood as possible, but upholstered seats are a bit more comfy. I guess it depends on your priorities.

That’s one helluva shop stool!

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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#9 posted 08-19-2009 03:37 AM

one advantage of having Mark as a partner in the Gnarly Wood Shoppe is that we do have some pretty classy shop furniture. he does good stuff

-- cronk, oregon

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#10 posted 08-19-2009 05:39 AM

Cronk: It’s good to hear from you guy. I saw that classy Walnut seat, and I new it came from your stash.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#11 posted 08-19-2009 05:59 AM

Schroeder, it came out fantastic.

-- Whether You Think You Can or You Think You Can't, YOU ARE RIGHT!!!

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#12 posted 08-19-2009 03:31 PM

Very nice stool. I like the back just the way it is. The footrest looks a little large, but everything else is great.

-- "A goal without a plan is a wish."

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#13 posted 08-19-2009 08:17 PM

I love fumed oak… I think it is way cooler than any sort of stain.

The pegs are out of african blackwood? They look good and all, I am not too super familiar with what would be in the frame of a Greene and Greene style, (it definetly has the form) but I personally would leave everything the way it is, but use perhaps maple pegs, just for contrast to the dark fumed oak, or at least try it out to see if it actually looks good, I would imagine it would look pretty nice too with maple pegs, since this is a proto and all.

Nice work, the joints look clean and well cut, I personally like the back of the rest, with the way it looks “stepped” in the back and top. Great idea, and I think this stool will last definetly a century or two, of hard use at that.

-- Nicholas, Cabinet/Furniture Maker, Blue Hill, Maine

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#14 posted 08-19-2009 10:47 PM

Hi Schroeder,
Nice piece – I like the detailing on the back sides of the crest and seat back rails – as well as the foot-rest.
I look froward to meeting you in December

-- Darrell Peart - Seattle - www.furnituremaker.com - author G&G Design Elements for the Workshop

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#15 posted 08-19-2009 10:49 PM

Very nice design.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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