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I have been experimenting with finishing maple for at least 4 weekends or more. I am so happy with the current results that I consider this a finished project – a project in learning how to finish. I owe it all to lumberjocks. Because of this website, I have started to venture into hardwoods.
My first experiences with maple were frustrating and disappointing. Blotch, blotch, blotch. Glue stains, unevenness. I was convinced that I would never get this right without getting a spray booth and all sorts of apparatus. I wanted the maple to look natural – but with a slightly reddish tinge. Frustrating!
At the same time that I saw Teejay’s cry for help ( http://lumberjocks.com/topics/8721 ), I was having the same problem. I just could not figure out how to get maple to look as great (when stained) as pine or oak which I was familiar with. It was driving me crazy. I also posted a topic on staining to get some insight ( http://lumberjocks.com/topics/8919 ) because I figured out I must be doing something wrong. I was right. I was sanding too much and between layers of shellac. I was also saved by Beth Martin’s blog which is very informative about staining maple and her experiences ( http://lumberjocks.com/BethMartin/blog/8783 ).
After many retries (different layers of shellac, tinted oils, straight on stain), I have finally got the boards to look how I want. It’s due to the generous help of folks posting here that I persisted, experimented and finally found something that works for me.
What I did:
1) I sanded each board at 80 grit to get out the machine marks with my random orbital sander
2) Wiped off any dust (!) and then went to 120. I also found that I had Norton 3X flexible sanding “paper” and used that as a second run.
3) Wiped the dust again…. and down to 180 with the random orbital sander.
4) Wiped the dust again… and went to 220. Here I counted. I did 100 passed with the random orbital sander on each side.
5) I then wiped the boards with mineral spirits. When that dried I sanded by hand with 220. Maybe 5 minutes.
6) Wiped the boards with mineral spirits again, and hand sanded at 320 for about 5 mins. max
7) Wiped off any dust (!) – then applied 3 layers of dewaxed super blond shellac at 2lb cut waiting 30 mins. between each layer with a rag. I did not sand between layers. I let this cure overnight.
8) Sanded lightly by hand with 600 grit just to get the surface smooth
9) Wiped off any dust
10) Took a rag, and applied a rubbed on coat of varathane brand gel stain (yes, “gel stain” is an oxymoron according to Charles Neil) – red mahogany. I rubbed it in, and never let any of it sit.
In the pictures, I left one board natural so you can see the difference. I finally feel that I can conquer maple.































15 comments so far
Durnik150
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posted 127 days ago
Thanks for the information full post. The shelves look great and I will be trying your finishing routine myself!
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PurpLev
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posted 127 days ago
congrats…. seems to me thats still a lot of sanding. I don’t think I sanded that much all of my projects combined :) but bottom line – it gets you the result you wanted, which matters most.
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TopamaxSurvivor
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posted 127 days ago
Thanks for the instruction. Guess I’ll mark this one for future reference. Congrats on conquering the beast ;-))
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Dusty56
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posted 127 days ago
In the beginning of your story you state that you did too much sanding ….how much more did you do than you described in the second part of your story ?
Being a newbie , I’m also a little confused if you stained the shellac or the wood ?
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BethMartin
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posted 127 days ago
Well I’m glad my trials helped you out and you got the results you wanted! :)
I’m probably making things complicated, but since you seemed to want just a bit of color, maybe you could simply tint the shellac? But I’m sure you’ve had enough experimenting, so I should probably stay quiet. lol.
-- Beth
jockmike2
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posted 127 days ago
Seems odd to me to put stain on shellac too, but if it works for you I guess that is all that matters. Thanks for the unusual tip.
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mtkate
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posted 127 days ago
I definitely stained the shellac. It was driving me crazy not to get even staining so I was determined to get that route working.
Beth – for sure next time I will try the tints. Being the first time using shellac, and never having used dyes before I was keeping it safe.
Dusty56 – in fact… before I was sanding the boards for at least an hour each and not getting nice results. I have cut the time in half and have better results. PurpLev is right, it’s probably still too much sanding but I am sure with more practice I will find a better technique.
I think this was more an experiment in how to get 50% shellac to work for me to stop the maple from being blotchy. Three coats was the charm.
teejay
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posted 127 days ago
good job! I’m glad you found a system that worked for you. I needed my maple to be much darker so I went a different way (dye, shellac, stain) but that seemed to work for me. I updated my thread to show what I did, but have yet to load pictures, I will later on.
Dusty56
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posted 126 days ago
After awhile you will hear the term “low level lighting” . You can actually see the “scratches” left by your coarser grit sandpaper . As you go up to finer grits , stop sanding when you can no longer see the scratches from the previous grit. You can actually go to such extremes that the finest grit papers will actually “burnish” your wood. You don’t want this to happen if you’re going to apply a finish other than maybe wax because the finish needs something to adhere to if you want it to stay on your project.
I’m also concerned about your use of 80 grit to remove “machining marks”.....What’s up with that ? Are your planer knives nicked or dull ? Are you starting out with Rough Sawn lumber ? The last time I used 80 grit was to remove polyurethane from my flooring : ) I can’t imagine going from 80 grit all the way up to 600 grit !
God bless you : )
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BethMartin
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posted 126 days ago
Dusty, I can’t speak for Kate, but I’ve been using 60 grit on maple boards (not ply) to get out my saw marks and burns. I’m using an old wonky saw, and well, I’m a noob. lol! It amazing, but the wood is so hard, even the 60 grit takes a while to get the marks out and it doesn’t even chew up the wood. (With soft wood, it would be a different story!) On the ply, I start at 120 since it is so smooth already and I don’t want to screw up the veneer. :)
-- Beth
mtkate
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posted 126 days ago
Yup, what Beth says…. and I think my planer is definitely a culprit leaving perpendicular marks. We’ve played with the adjustments quite a bit but it still is not perfect. I have to give Delta a talkin’ to. The planer is almost brand new.
I am also starting out with rough lumber. I am the type who made lye, just to make soap, just to know what that’s all about.
Dusty56
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posted 125 days ago
Carry on , Ladies : ) Have a great day !
ps: How did your soap turn out ?
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mtkate
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posted 125 days ago
The soap was relatively like Ivory Soap, but less lather. I was just thankful it did not burn me!
On another note, I suppose you could say I have a lot of grit? LOL. Sorry about that.
Dusty56
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posted 125 days ago
A good sense of humor is nothing to apologize for : )
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trimtrac
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posted 119 days ago
Thanks for the tip, I’m working with some red maple. I think I’m going to try your formula
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