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Picture Frame - Oak and Maple - with maple blotch :(

Project by mtkate posted 164 days ago 456 views 0 times favorited 12 comments Add to Favorites Watch

This is really my first foray into working with hardwood. I made a box using oak before, but the oak came to me fully planed and jointed so I don’t quite count it. I started these rough and wanted to try mixing woods (as inspired by this website). I had a hard time finding the right frame for this print at the right price so I made my own (no glass in it yet). The outside frame is red oak. The inside is maple. I still don’t have a router table so the edges are done with a jerryrigged setup and a roman ogee on the plunge router. They came out ok to me considering the tools I had available.

First pic is without flash, second is with. The following three pics illustrate what I mean by maple blotch.

I thought I read and followed all the right rules. I used a wood conditioner and let it sit for 24 hours on the maple. I had previously sanded it down to 320 grit. I used a gel stain that I carefully applied with a rag in very thin layers as I went along.

I will live with the blotch and call it “character”. The maple is hard maple, and select grade.

The responses on some recent posts are very helpful re: finishing maple and I will be following those suggestions much more closely for the next maple project:

Staining Maple is Crushing my Spirits
Downstairs Built-ins Extravaganza! #9: Figuring out staining

I also previewed some of Charles Neil’s videos on finishing. They look fantastic and I have it in my plan to get them. Having spent all those years finishing pine projects, this is the first time I encountered such an issue.


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Todd A. Clippinger

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posted 164 days ago

Those blotches look like glue spots to me. The glue creates a bit of hold out on the stain because it seals the wood.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://amcraftsman.com

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mtkate

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posted 164 days ago

Hey thanks! I never even thought of that. I sanded like mad after the gluing. This means that glue really penetrates maple far more than I ever imagined. Never seen that problem before working with wood other than pine and oak.

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CharlieM1958

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posted 164 days ago

I agree with Todd. That is not what’s really meant by “blotchiness” in maple. Blotchiness is something that shows up on a large area, like a tabletop, where the surface accepts the stain in a generally uneven manner. The spots you have indicated are more indicative of the stain reacting to a particular flaw such as a scratch or a glue spot.

I like the frame a lot.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Todd A. Clippinger

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posted 164 days ago

Yes, the frame design itself is nice. You just had a little trouble with the stain.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://amcraftsman.com

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BethMartin

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posted 164 days ago

If it’s not glue, then I would guess maybe it is splatters of the wood conditioner? Blotchiness is when the stain penetrates way more in one spot than the rest and makes dark blotches. Your spots are lighter, which means the stain couldn’t get in for whatever reason.

But I think the frame looks great, regardless. :)

-- Beth

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mtkate

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posted 164 days ago

So even when you sand it down after each of those steps (glueing, conditioning) they can still get you, I guess.

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Joe Watson

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posted 164 days ago

dont point the mistakes out we would never know ;) good looking frame

-- Got Wood?

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SteveL

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posted 42 days ago

Just a thought, but had you considered just letting the maple be maple? Sometimes a nice contrast between two woods can be just grand. I like to prefinish parts if I can, before gluing—especially if I’m going to use yellow PVA glue. If you’re going to glue before staining and finishing, you might also try a good quality animal hide glue—for example, Titebond’s premixed stuff or the old fashioned mix-your-own, that requires a hot glue pot—suppliers are Lee Valley and Highland Woodworking. This type of glue can be cleaned up with a toothbrush and warm water, and is somewhat more friendly to stain.

-- SteveL

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a1Jim

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posted 42 days ago

It’s still a good idea to get Charles Neils finishing a-z it’s great.

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop, custom furniture ,maker, woodworking school, heirloomwoodshop.com

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mtkate

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posted 41 days ago

Jim, I did get a taste of it. I got a subscription to fine woodworking for my b-day… and I was pleased to see an article on finishing first by Charles!

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Beginningwoodworker

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posted 41 days ago

Nice looking picture frame.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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a1Jim

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posted 41 days ago

That was a good article by Charles

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop, custom furniture ,maker, woodworking school, heirloomwoodshop.com

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