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Ryobi sander conversion to Hook and Loop

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Project by Karson posted 04-06-2009 02:01 AM 7922 views 11 times favorited 25 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Someone posted their making a thickness sander and putting hook and loop sandpaper on the drum.

That got me to thinking that I’d like to convert my sander to hook and loop. He recommended Woodmaster in Kansas City for the parts. I checked with the supplier where I buy sandpaper and I could get the hook and loop PSA by the foot so I could get the length that I needed instead of buying pre cut lengths.

I used Supergrit.com for my sandpaper supplies for this conversion.

The pictures in the project are in the reverse order from the conversion.

This is the sander. It’s a 16/32 inch open end sander.

It’s not used much.

I took all of the existing sandpaper off and measured the drum to find out how much of the PSA hook material I needed.

When it came I measured a diagonal that was the length of one loop around the drum.

I then cut on that diagonal and started to put the PSA material down. I put it in the reverse diagonal of the way that I wind the paper. It turned out that I was 3” too short so I took a 3” piece from the end that I cut off and stuck it down.

I then got some paper and cut the same diagonal on it, but in the reverse angle. I then started to wind it. It worked great for about 3 minutes then the wind got to it and unwound the paper.

I fixed that by putting the leading edge into the clip where the original paper was attached. I’ve not had any problem since then. The trailing end stays down with no problem.

This is going to allow me to change the paper a lot faster that before. I hope I use it more often. Because it is a great tool for cleaning up wood that won’t fit in the planer.

In this case I’m speaking about 1/8 strips that I’m using as edge banding on my kitchen cabinets.

The only problem that I had with the conversion had to do with thicker material on the drum than before.

The front latch was held with a bolt that had a locking nut on it. I had to use a regular nut and grind down the bolt to shorten it.

The back plate that was an assist to keeping the sanding dust in the upper hood also was too close to the paper so I had to use a grinder to make the front edge move back. I also ground an angle on it that matched the curve of the drum.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †





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Tim Pursell

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#1 posted 04-06-2009 02:17 AM

Karson, I’ve got the same sander & I KNOW what you mean when you mention how time consuming it is to change the paper. I thought about doing this conversion but I’m concerned about losing the control of thickness of very thin pieces due to the “give” of the velcro as compared to the original Aluminum to sandpaper. Please let us know if there any problems controling thr thickness.

Thanks

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lew

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#2 posted 04-06-2009 02:21 AM

Looks like once you get use to it, the belt changes will indee be faster.

BTW, you really got to love those folks at Supergrit. Was over there the other day and they are just as nice if you but 1 sanding disk or a 1000.

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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Karson

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#3 posted 04-06-2009 02:22 AM

The aluminum drum was a nice hard surface to sand to but I think that it’s going to be ok with the hook and loop. I usually do a final sand without turning the crank to let it go one last time with the same setting.

But I didn’t feel any variations across the surface of the wood if that was what you were asking about.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#4 posted 04-06-2009 02:26 AM

Lew I’m going to have to meet you there some time and go and get a cup of coffee. Some time when I’m visiting my daughter in Reistertown, MD

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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Tim Pursell

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#5 posted 04-06-2009 02:27 AM

Thanks Karson. I usually leave 80 grit on & send the piece thru 2 or 3 times to get rid of as many deep scratches as possible before I have to use the ROS to get ready for finish. If I do this conversion, maybe I can
use finer grits on the drum & cut down on the dreaded sanding time!! Thanks again

-- http://www.etsy.com/shop/tpursell?ref=si_shop

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griff

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#6 posted 04-06-2009 03:05 AM

Very good conversion Karson. I have the woodmaster 725 with the sanding head in it, and I really enjoy it. Works great on wide panels .

-- Mike, Bruce Mississippi = Jack of many trades master of none

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#7 posted 04-06-2009 03:17 AM

Hi Karson , I have the same DS from back in the ‘90’s. I use my DeltaX5 to do the heavy sanding and then run the stock thru my Ryobi with finer grit paper to clean it up . It still works great and beats that X5 any day of the week for finish quality . I often thought about the velcro changeover , but haven’t attempted it yet . Thanks for the post and let me know how it works out for you after a while . Thanks : )

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#8 posted 04-06-2009 03:23 AM

Karson – I am glad you posted this. I was thinking about doing this the other day when someone posted where to buy sandpaper. I was checking out Supergrit because that was one of the places recommend and is also about 45 minutes from me. I have never been there but will now. You will have to let me know how it works out for you after you have put it to some use.

Does the PSA hook material have an adhesive on it?

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Karson

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#9 posted 04-06-2009 03:32 AM

Yes the hook portion is PSA . Make sure your drum is clean. I used alachol to wipe down the drum.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#10 posted 04-06-2009 04:35 AM

Great innovation Karson.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#11 posted 04-07-2009 06:41 AM

good Idea well done

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#12 posted 04-08-2009 10:32 PM

Karson, How do you like this sander overall? (Before and after the conversion)

We just got one it at work and I have been trying to justify bringing it home. I love my small homemade sander but it would be nice to have a full size version for table tops, etc. Let me know.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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#13 posted 05-24-2009 08:21 AM

Hey Karson,

Could you give me the direct link to where you ordered the adhesive-backed hook+loop roll? And could you also tell me how much (length) you ordered?

I ended up getting this sander and I’m going to do the conversion. I did the same thing to my home-made sander. Thanks for this blog post.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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#14 posted 05-24-2009 08:26 AM

I am also a little concerned about the modifications (all the grinding) that you had to do to make the hood fit after the added bulk from the hook & loop. Does it still get an adequate seal for proper dust collection? I didn’t realize the clearance was that tight until I went back and re-read the details of your blog.

If I decide not to do the conversion, could you tell me (link) where you got your sanding rolls from for this machine? Were they 1” wide or 3” wide?

Thanks again.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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Karson

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#15 posted 05-24-2009 02:39 PM

Blake the place that I bought the psa hook and the loop paperwere from Supergrit.com There link is in the top part of the description. I got 6 feet and I needed 7 feet because it was about 3” too short but I used the cutoff from the first end to put on the second end.

The paper is 3” in width. I bought a 25’ roll of different grits. The grinding wasn’t a problem. in fact on my sander the metal strip was already sanded down because at some times the paper came loose and it sanded it down until such time as you could shut off the sander. The bolt on the front was a replacement nut that wasn’t a locking nut with the nylon insert. I had to shorten the bolt a little by grinding it off also. A 2 minute job.

The back grinding was a 5 minute job. Grind a little see if it fits, grind some more and see if it fits. Not a big problem.

I didn’t use the internet to order, I called them on th phone to confirm what I needed.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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