Zirbelkiefer Cabinet

Nicholas, I love it and your English is excellent as well! Would you please take a moment and explain the 1:2 ratio?

Thanks,

CB

-- Chesapeake Bob, Southern Maryland

I really like this and will probably try my hand at making one like it,(hope you dont mind), when I start building the cabinets for my house. I would also like to know more about the 1:2 ratio.

Thanx for posting this and I cant hope to see much more to follow.

Jimi

-- Jimi _ Measure twice, cut once.......@#%#$@!!!......measure twice, cut....

Keifer Holz is pine wood yellow pine siberian pine austrian pine etc.Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

ChesapeakBob and all others who are interestedin the ratios of Dovetails (thanks for liking my english!)

Ok, there are also many ways of doing different proportions but the Cassic, well what the Europeans consider classic, is the where the Tail piece is double the width of the Pin in the MIDDLE of Tail/Pin…. it so just as there are many ways to make different proportions and shapes of the of the dove tails there are many different ways of mathimatically calculating it: Here is of the easiest and quickest ways of making the this type of dovetail: (the classic way of calculating it out anyway, you can get a feeling after a while and skip the first part with expirience)

Its in 2 steps, First figure out the number of tails necessary… using the following:

The “wood to be joined-width”/1.5 X the Wood thickness = the number Tails
Example: (90mm/1.5×15mm) would = 4 (sometimes rounding is necessary)

The number of Pins is = to the number of Tails + 1
Example: (4tails + 1 =5 so 5 pins )

pretty easy so far now we just need the number of total “pieces” to divide the board width into… (which in the classic ratio is 1:2 would be double tail single pin) We must remember that each Tail is = to 2 pin “widths”

So the formula looks like this: Number of Tail pieces ( 4×2 ) = 8 + Number of Pin pieces (5) = 13 total pieces.

Ok so far, good this gives us our classic ratio. Now we need to mark off on the end of the board using a guage marker to draw a scratch or mark through the exact middle of the end of the board to join, I perfer doing the tails first so this method can be used as well as makring the 1/2 thickness on the side of the tails board as well.

We now need to find out the width of the pieces and this is easy enough, just:

Woodwidth / Number of pieces So our example would look like this 90mm/13pieces = 6.9mm

So then we just take a ruler and mark of on our line every 6.9mm (7 mm is close enough on smaller stuff)

or we can use a ruler and but the to be joined board up to the other board in an “L” shape and use also a ruler and at a diagonol mark off or divide off the board into 13 pieces, (I perfer the ruler method it is much more accurat over a larger cabinet or joint.

Using a mitre gauge you can determine the angle of Dovetails by simply making a benchmark measuring 1 unit of measure up, making another mark and then making one mark 7 units (inches or mm does not matter its the ratio that we are after) to the side perpendicular. Then adjusting your gauge to this you have your exact 1:7 angle which is pretty standard. For soft woods a steeper angle is used 1:5 sometimes 1:6 and for harder woods 1:8 is used, but 1:7 works pretty much for all of them and you do not really notice until the wood is really thick.
Its late here and I hope i did not leave anything out… so let me know what you think

-- Nicholas, Journeyman Cabinetmaker, Partenkirchen, Germany

It can be explained with proportions and fractions too which maybe easier, so let me know and I can write that down too, I am not certian what would be more usefull

-- Nicholas, Journeyman Cabinetmaker, Partenkirchen, Germany

thanks too to scotsman! i will keep it in mind… good to know! I looked in the dictionary but not inthere, thanks again!

-- Nicholas, Journeyman Cabinetmaker, Partenkirchen, Germany

Nice color. It almost looks like cedar. The smell sounds wonderful.

-- http://www.woodsongsfurniture.com

Nice cabinet.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

Wow man you definately have the nak with making these boxes and cabinets, you do really nice work, I to love the smell of fresh cut wood, it don’t really matter what kind but this sounds like after working in the shop it would send my mind to wandering about the trips to grandma’s house when I was a kid. Then I’d be raiding the fridge L.O.L. Keep posting I love to look at your stuff Great job

Thanks for the nice image of Grandmas house! I think I will have to visit again sometime! ;-)

-- Nicholas, Journeyman Cabinetmaker, Partenkirchen, Germany

I found this about Zirbel pine:

“The Zirbel Kiefer (Pinus cembra), also cembran pine or Zirbe mentioned, is a coniferous tree from the family of the (Pinaceae). It occurs in three subspecies, whose areas lie apart over 2000 km: The Central European Alpenzirbe (Pinus cembra ssp. cembra), which is adapted to extreme high mountain conditions, the wide-spread Siberian Zirbe (Pinus cembra ssp. sibirica), mentioned by the Russians “„kedr ““(Siberian Zeder), the also damper to swampy locations stands and their eastern form in Korea (Pinus koraiensis).”

-- Steve, New Zealand, www.steveracz.com

Hey Nicholas
Another outstanding work

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

cool, thanks jim!

And daltxguy, thanks for the research! I did not know that it had cousins in the genus all the way in Korea! or related to the Cedar family… very interesting

Thanks again guys!

-- Nicholas, Journeyman Cabinetmaker, Partenkirchen, Germany