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Project by tsuresuregusa posted 10-13-2014 01:03 PM 1884 views 1 time favorited 8 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Hi Folks,

My first project. I waited till I had something barely interesting to post.

This is japanese saw vice I made yesterday. The diagram shows the bolts I don’t have (it was sunday yesterday, nowhere to get them) but I’m using a moxon vice to close it. This has the advantage that leaves the vice at a nice angle when you put it in the floor. I have to decide yet if I go for the bolted version.

Start with some straight grained wood roughly 30×30cm, or wider if your saws are longer. I used 8×3/4in spruce from the construction market.

I rough cut with a saw and then lots and lots of block plane to get the shape done. Really straight forward.

The teeth is the first try with the new vice. I use it in sitting position, like japanese do. This gives you great stability since your centre of gravity is at the saw height. Like that, it’s really easy to keep the file straight and not touch the neighbouring teeth. I tried before filling while standing, with different kind of vices, and this is by far my favourite method.

Hope someone else gets inspired to sharpen japanese style. It’s sadly a technique that even in Japan is being lost. And with the right tools, it’s not so difficult.

If you want to read more mumbling on japanese saw sharpening, take a look at my blog:

http://laborlimaetoolworks.blogspot.com

Cheers!





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Andre

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#1 posted 10-13-2014 04:00 PM

Good project, I have been thinking about sharpening some hands saw and this looks like another project to add to the list, just wondering if that spruce is hard enough?

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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tsuresuregusa

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#2 posted 10-13-2014 04:06 PM

Thanks! I was wondering the same. I cannot get real wood here in Graz without a car… It gets quite marked by the file but the saw is really stable. I also like the damping action of the wood. I’ve tried with beech and the feeling is much more “metallic”, if that makes sense. I also like the weight, it makes easier to move around.

Do you know what would be a good replacement for Zelkova? That’s what they use in Japan.

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siavosh

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#3 posted 10-14-2014 01:41 AM

This is great, japanese saw sharpening is definitely a mysterious art and hard to find much info in the west on. Thanks for sharing and will definitely follow your blog.

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#4 posted 10-14-2014 03:29 AM

Nice vise! How do you hold it(and moxon) to use? Thanks for sharing!

-- God bless, Candy

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Andre

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#5 posted 10-14-2014 04:00 AM

Zelkova is a type of Elm with a Jnaka hardness of 830! Most Elms ,Soft Maples or even a Red Cedar would work just fine with a Rift grain pattern.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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tsuresuregusa

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#6 posted 10-14-2014 06:15 AM

Thanks Siavosh. Indeed, it has been really difficult to come with info. This video was really helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5B6C0m15E

CFrye, in Janpan you use a small box to lay the vise on, and you leg to press the vise againt this box (see the video). I use the “legs of the moxon” to set the angle, and then I “embrace” it with one leg and push with the other. This doesn’t the vide move and it’s actually comfortable. The important thing is to have the file at your center of gravity, that makes the filing much more stable than standing.

Thanks rad. I have maple in Opa’s workshop in Germany, I will try another version next time I go.

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#7 posted 10-14-2014 08:32 AM

Thank you for explaining and the video link tsuresuregusa.

-- God bless, Candy

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tsuresuregusa

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#8 posted 10-14-2014 12:13 PM

You’re welcome Fray. I hope you give it a try.

I forgot to say that in this position is really straightforward to see how to put the file such that you don’t file neighbouring teeth. Another advantage of the japanese way.

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