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Blog entry by Patrick Jaromin posted 2207 days ago 1638 reads 1 time favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I love craigslist.

Around the same time I began the planning for my new shop, I started using “igoogle” for my browser homepage. I also discovered a couple cool “craigslist” widgets for igoogle that display search results for preconfigured searches on your homepage. So, for example, if I’m considering the purchase of, say, a new dust collector, I’ll add a craigslist “dust collector” search widget to my igoogle homepage. Since I basically live online weekdays it’s unlikely I wouldn’t catch a new relevant post within, say, the first hour of it being posted. This is how I got my rather old but very competent 3HP 2100CFM dust collector for $225.

This is also how I found my latest workshop addition: A Grizzly G1066 24" Dual Drum Sander for $400. Brand new these machines run about $1,500 delivered. Now the machine I got is not even remotely new—the copyright on the original manual (yeah, the seller had the original manual) is dated 1992 and the “Grizzly” logo is an older variety—but the insides were all there and it runs beautifully. Included with the machine were 2 new 150 grit rolls and 1 new/1 half used 100 grit roll of sandpaper. Considering these cost >$40 each, I figure I actually paid less than $300 for the actual machine. I consider this a very good deal, indeed.

Old Grizzly Logo on G1066

Heavyweight

Finding the machine was the easy part. Since this machine weighs in at over 400lbs., getting it home and in place was a bigger challenge. I was lucky that the seller had a couple pretty big guys pickup up some other equipment a the same time as I. The 4 of us (seller, two “big guys” and me) basically muscled the thing into the back of my minivan. I nearly passed out on the last push and am fairly certain that, were anyone looking, they’d have seen my eyes bulging out of their sockets. I’m not kidding. Fortunately, lowering it out of the van, with the help of my brother-in-law and a couple of his football-player sons turned out to be a bit easier than I’d feared…and my load-in ramp for the shop easily supported the weight. It was in!

Power

When designing the shop, I saw fit to have a total of (4) 240V circuits installed. Two 15A and two 20A. One is for the dust collector, a second for my Grizzly 17” bandsaw. This leaves one 15 and one 20A circuit available. The 5HP motor on this monster demands 240V @25A minimum. This meant installing a new dedicated 240V/30A circuit in the shop. Since I already had the 10ga. wire on hand, the expense was minimal (some 1/2 conduit and a breaker) and in about 2 hours yesterday afternoon I installed the new line.

Test Run

Much of the comments I’ve read on drum sanders dealt with frustrations over either burning wood like cherry, or tracking issues. These left me a bit apprehensive about what I would encounter when using this tool. I decided to track down a current owner if I could and solicit some advice. Based on some of his prior posts, it appeared that a fellow “Lumberjock” (Todd A. Clippinger) who’s work I’ve admired (and partially ripped off) had at one time owned this exact model. Todd took the time to provide me with a weath of information that I was able to put to immediate use. (Thanks!) So, after loading up the drums, per Todd, with some new 100 (front roller) and 150 (rear roller) grit, I picked up the first >9” (minimum length per docs) piece of scrap I had at hand—a ~6”W x ~10” long piece of cherry. I fired up the dust collector (a must) and then the machine and ran this piece through, cranking up the table until the piece just made contact with the drums. It was a beautiful sound and after multiple passes without any burn or apparent strain on the machine, I eyed the cherry and maple side panels I’d recently completed for my current project.

Beautiful! A few passes and the joints were dead flush and looking gorgeous. I’m hooked!

Did I mention how I love craigslist?

(Originally posted at http://tenonandspline.com/blog/archives/90)

-- Patrick, Chicago, IL http://www.TenonAndSpline.com/blog



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SteveKorz

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#1 posted 2207 days ago

Wow, that is quite an awesome machine. I ‘spose I’m gonna have to start watching now…

Great deal…

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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Yettiman

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#2 posted 2207 days ago

Great looking piece of kit.

Don’t tend to use Craigslst much, can I ask where you found the igoogle widgets.

Havn’t personalised my page much.

Di the sander ‘soften’ the edges much? I have been told that can do this so have been reluctant to try out the one at college for this very reason

-- Keep your tools sharp, your mind sharper and the coffee hot

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teenagewoodworker

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#3 posted 2207 days ago

that is a great find! been looking on craigslist lately too because it has been good to me in the past. just can’t seem to find a band saw. that machine is just great though, you are going to enjoy it alot!

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Patrick Jaromin

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#4 posted 2207 days ago

Thanks all!

Yettiman: If you go to igoogle.com, click on “Add Stuff” and search for “Craigslist” you’ll get a list like: http://www.google.com/ig/directory?q=craigslist&root=%2Fig&dpos=top

The one I’ve been using is this one: http://www.google.com/ig/directory?q=craigslist&root=%2Fig&dpos=top&url=www.webservicemart.com/google/wsmcraig.xml

I’ve only tried two and they seem “OK” Give ‘em a try!

As for the edges, keeping in mind that so far I’ve only sanded two panels, I’ve seen no evidence of that. The edges appear crisp and clean. I can’t images how it could round the edges unless there was some “play” in the paper or the drums were warped somehow. The drums on the grizzly are aluminum, not rubber and there’s no additional padding between the paper and the drum. In any event, it worked great on the stuff I’ve run through so far.

-- Patrick, Chicago, IL http://www.TenonAndSpline.com/blog

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Bigbuck

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#5 posted 2207 days ago

Nice finds

-- Glenn, New Mexico

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Greg Wurst

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#6 posted 2207 days ago

Sweet find!

-- You're a unique and special person, just like everyone else.

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Dusty56

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#7 posted 2206 days ago

Is there any apparent “snipe” with this machine ? I have a Delta and a Ryobi Drum sander and I just can’t get away from the snipe issues on either one . I have resorted to sending a sacrificial piece ahead of and behind my projects to avoid this issue. Thanks for posting this and you got it for a great price : )

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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Dusty56

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#8 posted 2206 days ago

I just went to your home site and you have some really awesome projects posted there : )

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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Patrick Jaromin

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#9 posted 2206 days ago

Dusty—Todd warned me of that possibility as well…however so far I haven’t encountered any visible snipe. The guy I bought it from bragged about his setup of this machine…perhaps this was well-earned?

I wanted a drum sander primarily for preparing veneers and inlay pieces, but already I’ve been thinking of more and more ways this machine will come in handy. So I’m certain I’ll have a chance to better put it through its paces over the coming weeks…and I’ll be sure to update.

And thanks for the compliment!

-- Patrick, Chicago, IL http://www.TenonAndSpline.com/blog

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Todd A. Clippinger

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#10 posted 2206 days ago

Patrick,

Your older model looks a good bit like the newer variable speed unit. This unit was my first sander and I took it to Ohio during one of my earlier work trips.

Overall view of sander:
SV101616

My brother bought this one and I bought the Shop Fox 24” model for my own shop so I had one in both locations. The Shop Fox is basically the same sander and some of the parts under the hood are even Grizzly Green. The one difference is that the Shop Fox will sand a true 24” wide and the Grizzly is slightly under 24”. That has only been of benefit on a couple of occasions. With Grizzly it is easier and faster to get parts than Shop Fox, who requires me to go through a distributor for everything. This is annoying as a business.

I would recommend adding hard pipe elbows to increase suction.

SV101473

The one weak point that I have noticed is the fact that the belt rollers turn in rub collars instead of bearings. Fortunately these are inexpensive and easily replaced. I also leave the guards off here because I keep a wrench handy to adjust tracking with a 1/8 turn to keep the belt in-line. Little adjustment is needed to keep it tracking proper.

Sander Detail

I have my drums wrapped with the velcro and I like it. The edges of the boards do not get rounded. They come out incredibly crisp and square. So much so that I have cut my hands a couple of times on the sharp edges. No kidding.

I don’t have the clips to secure the tails of the sandpaper, instead, strapping tape is used on the edges. This is simple and works very well. Actually, this is the way that I received it from the factory and is recommended in the manual.

SV101464

When installing sandpaper on the velcro wrapped drums, firm and even pressure is the key to success.

You will also note that the sander is on a mobile base. In my brother’s shop we park it and pull it out to use. In my shop the sander has a dedicated spot on the floor.

I do not have any issues with the sander burning the wood. I have worked cherry enough to know. I am not sure what the other guys are doing, but sometimes I think that they are just making it (woodworking) too hard.

Yes, the sanding drums will leave track lines because they do not oscillate. I finish out with a final sanding with the my 6” or 8” random orbital. This is still much faster than using any other sanding method to flatten and smooth a board or panel.

I hope that this additional information helps. I think you got a good deal and it will make woodworking a lot easier.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://americancraftsmanworkshop.com

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Todd A. Clippinger

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#11 posted 2206 days ago

By the way, I am honored if I have influenced your work.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://americancraftsmanworkshop.com

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Patrick Jaromin

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#12 posted 2206 days ago

Damn! Now I won’t be satisfied until I upgrade to the variable speed version with the really cool control stalk! Seriously, though, thanks for the great pics and advice, Todd.

I actually ordered replacement rub collars (<$2 each) on your advice a couple days ago. The hose that’s on there now came with the machine and needs to be replaced anyway as it’s a bit awkward for my current setup (hangs directly over/onto the outfeed)...so I’m sure I’ll take your advice to replace with solid, which should also help in keeping it out of the way.

-- Patrick, Chicago, IL http://www.TenonAndSpline.com/blog

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Grumpy

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#13 posted 2206 days ago

Lucky you Patrick. Have fun.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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