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Shop & Tool Growing Pains #13: Dam you Craigslist

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Blog entry by pendledad posted 543 days ago 1466 reads 0 times favorited 9 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I know I originally posted that I hated Craigslist and I hated the value trap of used tools. In short, inexpensive tools offer good value, but you need to invest a lot of time to bring them up to good working order. Granted, there are astonishing deals to be had on amazing equipment, but for the most part, Craigslist finds require a good amount of work.

That said, I realized something this weekend about my experience with the 1950’s craftsman table saw and bandsaw. Even though I cursed those tools, I got to learn a lot about how the tools operated. I didn’t have a large investment in them while I was still learning how they work and their proper maintenance. It was almost like a $50 course in understanding and caring for tools. I was forced to take apart the motor and rewire a new switch, take apart the fence and fix a broken nut, and shim the tables so they’re flat. I learned a lot about the table saw and how everything works. I also learned that I wanted safety equipment that is found on the newer saws … which is why I eventually went with the new Grizzly G1023RL.

So, this weekend, I found an old Grizzly 6” jointer less than 5 miles from my house. The guy was asking $175, but I called him and asked if he would consider $100. He did tell me there was some rust on the stand, and some surface rust on the beds. I brought my Dad with me to inspect the metal condition (he works on classic cars so he has a lot of experience with rust). The machine was actually a bit older than I expected, probably from the early 90’s if I had to guess. It was made in Taiwan and from the best I can tell it is an early model of the G1182 jointer that won a bunch of awards.

I had the guy fire it up for me and show me that it cuts. Nice and quiet, no weird noises. It didn’t cut very well, but they’re the original blades, and the outfeed table was 1/4” lower than the infeed table. The tear-out was pretty bad, but I don’t think the owner knew about having the outfeed table a few thousands lower than the knives… Anyways, it obviously isn’t setup correctly. But I checked the table movement, fence movement, and everything seems to be ok. The moving parts are caked in dust and some have light surface rust which makes things difficult to slide easily, but I have lots of experience with Evapo-Rust and WD-40/Steel wool, so I’m not worried about it. Can’t wait to paste wax the hell out of this thing and get this sliding like my fence on the table saw.

My Dad is confident we can sandblast the rust off the stand and repaint it to match perfectly. That will be fun. If the metal is compromised, we’ll bust out his welder and fabricate the top piece of the stand. I might do this anyways because it is a fun project and I haven’t done any projects with him in 6 months. I’m going to throw a new anti vibration v-belt on it, clean up the beds, wax everything and see how she looks. Here are the before shots:

$100, not a huge investment, and hopefully I’ll learn as much about jointers through this project as I did about tablesaws on my other tool. And I can use this as a stepping stone to learn and care for jointers, which will prepare me for that 8” jointer that I’ll buy when I outgrow this in a few months :-)

Dam you Craigslist, I just found a Grizzly G1021 15” planer for $500 o.b.o ...

EDIT:
I wanted to confirm the model number with Grizzly, so I sent them a picture and I just received an email back from them:

Dear Brian,

After reviewing the picture we have identified your jointer as the G1182. I have provided a copy of the factory manual for your viewing. To provide some insight, the model you have will not accept an spiral cutterhead if you were thinking about converting it over. The replacement knives would be the G6697 for $40.95 plus shipping.

If we may be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. You are a valued customer, and it is a pleasure doing business with you.

Sincerely,

Craig C.
Technical Service
Grizzly Industrial, Inc.



9 comments so far

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oldretiredjim

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#1 posted 543 days ago

Personally, I am addicted to old stuff. The work is worth it in my opinion – but sometime you make a mistake and when you see the real problems you have to cut bait. Nice find.

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Rob Drown

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#2 posted 543 days ago

The beds don’t look too bad. Runs smooth? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Nice job!

-- The expectations of life depend upon diligence; the mechanic that would perfect his work must first sharpen his tools. Confucius, 经过艰苦的努力的梦想可以成真

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DocSavage45

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#3 posted 543 days ago

LOL!

Enjoy the learning, and time with your dad.

there will be more toys on craig’s list. I have to tell myself that!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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Dakkar

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#4 posted 543 days ago

That sounds like a great deal to me. You might check into the availability of replacement parts just in case. That one would probably serve any jointing needs I’d ever have.

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canadianchips

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#5 posted 543 days ago

Your on the right track. Buy old tools, understand how they work, take the time to readjust them. IF you have the patience to do this you will find a LOT of good tools out there that people have tossed away. (Mostly because they neither have the brains or the patience to make them work).
I do understand wanting NEWER tools. Some newer stuff does have safer features.
I am currently working at a school, we have SAWSTOP table saws, I have read about them, thought good and bad ideas. Now that I am using one, it is a good saw. BUT the things I am doing I find I am swithching OFF the safety part or removing the blade guard or removing riving knife. I have found these are easily removed and replaced.
Will I rush out and buy one for myself….....Not yet. I enjoy my old stuff.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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gawthrrw

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#6 posted 543 days ago

Good find. Just dont sand blast the bed lol!

-- Rob, Dallas TX

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gfadvm

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#7 posted 543 days ago

I envy you your ability to tear into those old tools and refurb them. When my stuff malfunctions, I’m pretty helpless. Thank God for friends that are more mechanically inclined!

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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ShaneA

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#8 posted 543 days ago

Sounds like a good investment. Show us the “after” pics when you are done.

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Sarit

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#9 posted 499 days ago

The first thing you should check for is warpage in the tables. If they are not flat you will have to get them surface ground flat again. Its best to grind both tables at once while still mounted to the base. Be sure to tighten/loosen the gibs on the dovetailed ways to their final position since that can through off the alignment of the tables. If there are other shims in there for leveling out the tables you should remove them too since you’ll be reflattening everything.

If each table is flat but not coplanar to each other, you can use brass sheet stock as shims to fix the angles.

Yes, don’t sandblast the top of the tables. They wont be smooth again.

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