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Shop & Tool Growing Pains #6: Grizzly Sale & Shop Design

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Blog entry by pendledad posted 619 days ago 1299 reads 0 times favorited 5 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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So Grizzly posted their x-mas sale prices. I posted a forum topic about that here . So I’m wrestling with the idea of buying one cabinet saw for roughly $1,400 shipped to my house. OR … I can get the 0715P hybrid, plus a G055LX band saw for roughly the same price as just the TS. I am struggling over what path to choose. I know the cabinet saws are well made and will be a more quality tool as the cornerstone of the shop … but … as soon as I get the TS I will probably find myself in need of a BS that same day.

Example: I showed my wife the LJ website and she really enjoys the look of BS boxes. She liked it so much that she showed her family. And then of course everyone wants one. I have no problem with that … in fact … I really enjoy the opportunity to build things for other people.

Another tool I’ve found myself looking for often is a jointer. Far too many times have I had an un-jointed surface of a board that I wanted to rip on the TS. With a jointer, I could make short work of it. With a BS and my jointer hand plane, I could get the same result with a little more elbow grease required.

I guess the point of this post is to show the conundrum I’m currently facing. Do I blow $1,400 on just a cabinet saw? Or do I spend the same amount to get a hybrid saw and a BS? I’ll try to figure out my pro’s and cons a little more clearly for my next post. So let’s move onto the shop design fun.

My last blog entry showed the Hurricane Sandy shuffle inside my garage. I had to move all the garage crap onto my shop side, so I could fit the monster mini-van into the garage. Needless to say, I quickly realized that I need EVERYTHING on wheels. I am not going through that exercise again without mobile bases on all workbenches and tools. My giant work surface table was a 4×6 sheet of plywood on top of my japanese sawhorses. The time it took me to clear that off, move the sheet, slide the horses … was about 10 times longer than I expected.

Enter the grizzly workshop planner.

I started by adding the dimensions of the whole garage, and adding the things I’ve already built (8’ workbench). Then I put my thinking cap on and tried to picture a shop where I can quickly move things out of the way, but would give me ample room when the van isn’t in the shop. Here is what I added to the layout:

TS. I used the G1023S icon because that is the approximate size of the saws I’m considering. I added a 17” BS (in case I get the 17” over the 14”). I also added a 6”x46” jointer (in case I purchase one). Then I added an outfeed/assembly table off the back of the TS. I also added a 2’x6’ workbench (which I plan to build). I don’t have a real woodworking bench and this will be one of my next projects.

Here are the two shots…

Everything pushed aside to make room for the van:

The van out of the shop, and my tools out ready for use:

Things I am missing
I have a make-shift 2’x8’ wood storage thing that I threw together some afternoon over a few beers. It is sloppy, made from 100% shop scraps, and huge. I plan on getting rid of it to free up that floor space. I will most likely employ a small wood storage rack on the wall with enough clearance for the tools to slide under.

I’m also missing a dust collection system. I don’t have the space for a massive 2hp floor unit, so I’m probably going to consider something like a dust deputy to hook up to my shop vac, or a wall unit that is powerful enough to handle 1 tool at a time and not be in the way of everything else.

I’m also not considering all the garage crap that is in there. I just tried to leave enough room where I can throw everything and make room for the van. I’m hoping there will be enough space. Next spring I’m building a shed to get the garage cleared of yard tools, toys, and all the other stuff that ends up in there.

I welcome all comments on the layout I’ve chosen. The bench I have in mind is the GSIW bench that looks like a solid bench, with simple construction. The outfeed table will probably be a simple plywood table similar to the wood whisperer’s design.

Edit:

Here is another shot of the garage with some of my current tools in place. Notice the large wood storage thing behind the BS, and the 4×6 table on the sawhorses behind the TS. You’ll also notice the ceiling are very low, and there isn’t a ton of wall space to work with, but enough to make something work.



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Luke

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#1 posted 619 days ago

Im sure you’ll get a ton of recommendations of what is best. But I think that you should get the best you can afford. I have bought hand fulls of used tools and discount (HF) type tools, and have spent twice as much replacing them, or spent months (YEARS) searching the internet for sales and discounts hoping that one day, I can get a nicer tool, that doesn’t feel like it will explode when I turn it on…

That being said, I went for years without a Jointer in my shop, I ended up picking up an old craftsman cast iron jointer (works well, but the thing scares me) I use it in EVERY project. I have a few hand planes that do the job too #7 Jointer plane, but it can be difficult to get a perfect 90* angle unless you pay careful attention.

As far as the table saw goes, again I say get the best you can afford, it will be something that hands down you will use EVERY project. For me: A hobbyist, the 1 1/2 HP saw I have does the job. There are times when I wish I had a 3 HP or the like, but thats probably 10% of the time. The other 90% it works well beyond what I can ask.

My bandsaw is a rickety old 14” 3/4 HP model I picked up at a yard sale for $50. And for $50 its served its purpose, but I find myself WEEKLY toying with the idea of buying a newer bandsaw.

Someone once said on one of my posts, if you don’t enjoy using your tools you wont use em. Thats the case with alot of mine, I find myself wanting to replace them because I just don’t like using them. With that said, if it were me, (EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT) I’d spring a package deal.

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derosa

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#2 posted 619 days ago

My advice, get the big saw. A bandsaw is an incredibly useful tool that I constantly wish I had a bigger version of and a cabinet saw is a nice beast to have. So get the better tablesaw and save for an even better bandsaw later, there is always father’s day or next christmas. It will be easier at a later date to claim you need another tool, the bandsaw, and end up with two nicer tools then to claim you need an upgrade if you find the tools you get aren’t quite sufficient in the long term.
Only comment to the layout, I used to have my tablesaw near the wall and found that too many times the wall was in the way of long cuts. It is, IMHO, better to move the tablesaw into the center, set some rollers around it for support on big items and have it in the best position for sheeet goods or long boards.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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Howie

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#3 posted 619 days ago

Like Derosa said,move the TS out into the room. Looks like you would have room for a HF D/C on the back wall where you are showing the TS now. Put the table on casters so you can move it around out of the way.

-- Life is good.

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cabmaker

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#4 posted 619 days ago

PD, I ll throw another angle on this. Based on what your type projects are think about a large bandsaw and a floor model spindle sander. It looks like your using a craftsman saw now (right?) and it should be well capable of handling what your doing. In the interum yu might watch c-list for a cab. saw if you really want one. Or a nice older delta cont. saw@1.5 hp. Its just me but I cant see throwing much money at a hybrib. Either go all the way or stick with a quality cont. saw. Dust collection is way overated for hobbiest use anyway and as far as the smaller footprint of a cab. saw, well you have an outfeed table, right ? so there goes that one. Wish you well with your decision. JB

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pintodeluxe

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#5 posted 619 days ago

There’s always room for a dust collector.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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