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Learning to design #3: Next sketchup version - thanks DaveR!!!

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Blog entry by mtkate posted 10-01-2009 01:36 PM 1665 reads 0 times favorited 11 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Dave’s suggestions from my very first post on this gave me great ideas – and simply trying to replicate what he did was a fantastic learning experience. You can click on the image to get the whole thing.

Tea Box Plan - Revised

I was able to play with sketchup on my commute to work back and forth yesterday, and woke up early this AM to fix some errors I made. The key to success was making groups which I wasn’t doing before. I was very pleased when all the pieces finally fit together.

My commute is later this morning, which gives me some time before the work rush starts at home…

The one thing I have not figured out (whether it’s a problem of mine or a feature of sketchup) is to color in the face under the arc. I have the horizontal lines connecting, but maybe there are other connector points that need to be joined so it knows it’s a face?



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woodenships

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#1 posted 10-01-2009 02:08 PM

Great work! I’m learning Sketchup too…so I’ll be watching ….I’ve got to make an armoire :O

I made a finger joint jig last year than got side-tracked and have’t used it much(4 young kids)..it uses the table saw and a moving holder with threaded rod and golfball as a crank..every time I rotate the the rod it moves the holder 1/16” . 4 rotations = 1/4” there a little bit to index..but very accurate.
You cut both sides at the same time…you don’t have to change the the table saw blade(1/8”)

If your interested I’ll lookout the plans

Dave

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Bob #2

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#2 posted 10-01-2009 04:35 PM

mkake, DaveR:
I am following this project with great interest.
I dabbled in Sketchup last year while building my shop but really must move my skills up to the next level.
This project covers a lot of the things I was having trouble with last year so it a good reference for me.

thanks for the postings.

This is probalby a bit off topic but what are you favorite varieties of Tea?
I am and have been, a fan of green teas for years and have found a couple of dark teas from china that we enjoy very much.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Jack Barnhill

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#3 posted 10-01-2009 06:21 PM

mkake,

As DaveR said, the Push/Pull tool is the best way to create the arched opening in the front group. To repair your model at this point (rather than recreate it) would be to right click on the front group and select “Edit Group”. Then use the Line Tool to reconnect the lines at the bottom of the arch, front and back, to “heal” the opening and then use the Push/Pull Tool to select the front face of the arch and push all the way to the back so that it re-cuts the arch but leaves the faces of the interior sides of the arch intact.

-- Best regards, Jack -- I may not be good, but I'm slow -- www.BarnhillWoodworks.com

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mtkate

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#4 posted 10-04-2009 11:13 PM

Hey Bob – off topic is often the more fun aspect of this website ;) I am also a green tea type… or anything herbal though for some bizarre reason I am not really into mint tea. It’s a shame, since I have a ton of mint growing outside. When I travel for work, I always bring along the chamomile. I hate being in hotels so anything to calm me down and get me to sleep is very important. I also discovered a ginseng tea (it’s called Korean Ginseng) that comes in packets with granules that dissolve in hot water. I really like it.

So, today I built the finger joint jig for the tablesaw from ShopNotes – the one that slides. It works really well – it took me from 10-3PM to build it. I was going really slow and trying not to screw it up. I have some rework on the jig to do in order to adjust the joint sizes – unfortunately my pegs ended up being 1-2mm bigger than the holes. Looks like another weekend day of work coming up, but I know what the problem is. My only issue is lack of skill :)

DaveR, you are absolutely correct about how I built the arches. I tried to use push/pull but thought drawing and deleting would be easier. I’ll do that next time.

Jack – thanks. You have given me a task for my daily commute on monday. I wish the help files were embedded in the app, and not only on the internet. I have not looked around if there is a big .pdf out there yet but that would be very helpful.

I will certainly read more about components. I made a group, then would explode it to modify, then recreate the group…. It’s fine when designing a simple box like this but I see how it would become cumbersome with a more interesting project.

I can’t believe a simple initiative to learn sketchup has led me to create a new jig…. but that’s the way it goes. It’s the same when you are remodelling the interior of your home. You decide to knock down a wall, but then you discover you have to reroute the wiring… but before you do that you have to move the lighting… it never ends!

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#5 posted 10-05-2009 12:11 AM

/First back to your box joint jig.
Here’s the one I use after making 3 different typs and one of them for the tablesaw.
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/2843
It sounds to me like you are having a problems with adjustment and perhaps moving your jig the opposite of what you want.
DAMHIKT. <g>
I’m and still a chamomile virgin having never tasted it but so many of my friends use it and now you, it time I took a plunge. Are there different types?
That Korean Ginseng sounds good. Is there a brand I could look for?

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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mtkate

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#6 posted 10-06-2009 03:15 AM

I played with the sketchup design and made the group into a component. Indeed, you can edit it easier without affecting the other pieces next to it. What I had been trying to do was to create the arc, then use the push/pull but lines kept intersecting with the other pieces and creating a mess.

Using as a component (I bet it would work as a group also) – I can isolate it in it’s own “space”. The push/pull to remove the arc worked like a charm and now I see where the lines would have intersected.

Bob, I think I will need more skills practice before I try the model of jg you made. Those joints look TIGHT! Tonight, I decided to re-adjust my jig (the 1mm move) – and tested it out. Works so much better. It took a bit of thinking to figure out which way the 1mm adjustment should go. The joints are not as tight as in your pics but at least they fit and the pieces don’t break when I try to put them together. I will post it as a project tonight if the internet connection stops flaking out on me.

There are certainly different types of chamomile, but I think what they sell for teas is pretty much all the same variety. One year I grew some in my garden (just the regular seed packs you get at Rona/Home Depot or whatever your garden variety home hardware store is…) and took the time to cut off the flowers and seed heads to keep in a jar and drink later on. It was a LOT of work for a little bit of tea. I figured with labour each cup of tea must have been at least $20. LOL. I am not a big connoisseur but you need to try different brands. Some might have more pollen matter in them than leaves which gives a different taste.

I looked up the Ginseng from a packet I have – a friend of the family always gives it to us…
http://koreaone.en.ecplaza.net/catalog.asp?DirectoryID=54795&CatalogID=62780
Some may say it’s an acquired taste.

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Bob #2

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#7 posted 10-06-2009 02:52 PM

Thanks for the Link Mtkate.
The good news is you have mastered your jig.
Here’s a tip for you:
Make your boards wider than your final size and you can trim those edges to have a half pin at each end that way.

Enjoy!
Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Brad_Nailor

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#8 posted 10-12-2009 01:09 AM

Yes an important reason to use groups and components is you can draw directly on an object thats a component or group and not affect that object. Thats critical if you are building something that is made up of interconnecting parts..draw the first part, make it a component then you can start sketching the next interconnecting part right on top of the first one without destructively editing the first part, and you will be insured that everything will fit together perfectly.

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mtkate

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#9 posted 10-12-2009 04:22 PM

... I have also discovered another very important feature recently – “Make Unique”.... I am now onto working out the design for my new kitchen and learned that once you make and replicate a component you have to make sure if you customize one of them for any reason you have to remember to make it unique… or interesting things start to happen ;)

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#10 posted 10-15-2009 01:32 AM

I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t have a good enough memory to learn skectch up. But It’s amazing to see what it does. If you every write a book about it Dave R let me know.

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a1Jim

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#11 posted 10-15-2009 01:40 AM

I’ll look forward to that day Dave. I hope it’s a best seller.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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