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Tools #1: Festool Domino and Dowelmax Comparison on Simple Joints - VIDEO

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Blog entry by mot posted 05-17-2007 08:12 PM 31875 reads 1 time favorited 37 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Hi Folks,

There is alot of Domino support and bashing, as well as Dowelmax support and bashing on various woodworking forums. Typically the owners of the tools talk about them like they are just about the second coming. The detractors talk about their excessive (relative) price. The Domino “won’t pay for itself.” The Dowelmax is no better at 250 bucks than a beadlock is at 50 bucks. Usually stuff like that. If you read close enough or care, many of the supporters and detractors don’t have either tool. They usually have some other way that you should spend your money and I’m sure kick their dogs and roll through stop signs!

Anyway, I love tools. I love to buy them. I love to compare them. It’s my hobby. I thought I’d toss together a crappy little video demonstrating the Domino and Dowelmax with making a butt joint, and in edge joining stock.

Please note that I don’t script these, I don’t rehearse them, I don’t really even plan them very well. They are off the cuff and I may confuse myself with terminology and have some jittery camera work. I hope you get the point that I am neither a professional woodworker, nor am I a professional videographer.

I do make the assertion that I’m better at woodworking that I am at video production.

So, here is the video. If you have any comments or critisim’s, fire away. If you want to bash either tool, please send your comments to either Festool or Dowelmax. I didn’t design either of them, I purchased both of them just because I wanted to. I don’t support either company over the other and I have no intention of defending my opinions to anyone, though I will happily join in poking fun at my haphazzard methods of video production.

Thanks!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)



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Dan Lyke

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#1 posted 05-17-2007 08:55 PM

Thank you! Now I want both, but I had had my eye set on a Domino, now I’m wondering if, for my purposes, the DowelMax (or, for some of these things, even something simpler cut out of a hardwood on the drill press) wouldn’t do in the interim.

And I’m looking forward to that project where you use one of everything.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke

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fred

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#2 posted 05-17-2007 09:06 PM

Thanks for the demonstration and the comparison.

I think this months “Wood” magazine compared and contrasted the pros and cons of dowels, biscuits and loose tenons.

Thanks, Tom, good job.

BTW you appear to work faster than the Energizer Bunny.

-- Fred Childs, Pasadena, CA - - - Law of the Workshop: Any tool, when dropped, will roll to the least accessible corner.

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coloradoclimber

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#3 posted 05-17-2007 11:29 PM

Tom,

This is an excellent presentation. Good information, good presentation. I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for putting in the time and effort to create it.

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scottb

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#4 posted 05-18-2007 12:42 AM

Quote Mot: Please note that I don’t script these, I don’t rehearse them, I don’t really even plan them very well. They are off the cuff and I may confuse myself with terminology and have some jittery camera work.

Dare I say (before watching) you can still take comfort in that you are no Ed Wood! (infamously the worst movie director ever)

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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mot

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#5 posted 05-18-2007 01:05 AM

HA! Don’t count on it!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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Don

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#6 posted 05-18-2007 03:01 AM

Thanks, Tom, I enjoyed this.

I just checked out the website of DowelMax – a Vancouver based company. I might drive over to there factory tomorrow and buy one.

-- CanuckDon "I just love small wooden boxes!" http://www.dpb-photos.com/

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David

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#7 posted 05-18-2007 03:26 AM

Tom -

Cool, fun, awesome! Very nice video – looking forward to more of the same.

-- http://foldingrule.blogspot.com

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mot

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#8 posted 05-18-2007 03:32 AM

David, I’m not sure which joint was harder to pull apart. I thought of you when I had to grunt to get that Domino joint apart.

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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scottb

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#9 posted 05-18-2007 03:34 AM

Both hard to pull apart eh? can save a bundle on glue then!

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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oscorner

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#10 posted 05-18-2007 04:10 AM

Thanks for taking the time to explain the dowelmax and dimino tools. Cost of having to get the dust collector and started kit would keep me from buying the Dimino. In the Wood Magazine test the dowels held almost as well as the Dimino and better than the BeadLock, which didn’t make me too happy. I enjoyed your video and your eight year olds use of the Dowelmax.

-- Jesus is Lord!

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MsDebbieP

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#11 posted 05-18-2007 11:53 AM

great video. Thank you.
That Festool set-up looks really convenient (with the dust collection) and it also looks $$$$$.

Did you say that the DowelMax can be set up to use different thicknesses of wood? It sure looked easy to use.

Don, lucky you that you just happen to be in Vancouver!!! :)

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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mot

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#12 posted 05-18-2007 03:54 PM

Don,

The Dowelmax is worth the money. The inventor, Jim, is a really decent cat to talk with as well. I just spent time on the phone with him, but it’s worth taking the time to talk with him.

Debbie, the Dowelmax can be used on just about any thickness of wood up to 4” anyway…It can be used on T joints, face joints, but joints and on really thick wood. It’s a nice piece to have around the shop.

The Festool stuff is expensive, but it's sooooooo nice. :)

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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MsDebbieP

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#13 posted 05-18-2007 03:55 PM

I just spent some time at their website and saw the 4×4 use. I also showed Rick and told him about your daughter using it.
I’m pretty sure that this will be the way to go—especially since I’m now committed to building my next table without screws.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Bill

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#14 posted 05-18-2007 04:28 PM

Bravo..another great K&T production. They both look like great tools, and it was nice to see how they actually work in the shop.

Thanks Mot.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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Karson

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#15 posted 05-18-2007 06:58 PM

Very nice production. I enjoyed your showing us both tools.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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