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Blog entry by mike85215 posted 01-08-2011 07:17 AM 1979 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I went to the local Woodcraft store tonight to look at the Delta 15” planer. The salesman there explained that the General machine is actually a better planer and that while they did not know who but they did know that Black and Decker is selling the Delta Porter Cable line.
I came home and while it took some work I did find that it is indeed true! They are being sold to a Taiwanese company called TOTY.
Before going into the store I was pretty much locked down on getting the Delta, but now I am not so sure. The salesman there praised the General, but again I am not sure.
I welcome any thoughts or comments.



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Greg..the Cajun Box Sculptor

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#1 posted 01-08-2011 07:33 AM

It seems as if there is no more ”Made In America” as we know it. A few exceptions exist…but very few. SAD…

-- We all must start somewhere in our journey of doing what we love to do.

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Beginningwoodworker

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#2 posted 01-08-2011 07:50 AM

Thats why I like to buy older Made in USA products.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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Moron

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#3 posted 01-08-2011 07:56 AM

I think that General is still made in Quebec, Canada, and General International is made off shore

I think?

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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mike85215

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#4 posted 01-08-2011 07:59 AM

Hi Roman, long time since we talked. The salesman said that the General was mfgd in China but assembled in the US, but it is the Canadian company.

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brianl

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#5 posted 01-08-2011 09:30 AM

Moron is right – General International equipment is made overseas while their trademark line (with the Canadian flag on the front) is made in Canada.

I wish there was a tool company that still manufactured in the USA. Morally speaking, the slave wages overseas manufacturers pay their people bothers me.

-- Brian - Belmont, Massachusetts

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ken_c

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#6 posted 01-08-2011 05:14 PM

Stay away from General International – they claim that their cabinet saw has a TEFC motor but it is not TEFC – Any motor they claim in TEFC is not – The end bells are open the the environment and the cap covers and junction box are not sealed either. This results in a motor packed with dust. The dust destroys the bearings and thus the motor. Then their customer service will tell you so sorry buy another. The other part is they have designed the mounts such that an American – or other real TEFC motor will not fit.

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Greg..the Cajun Box Sculptor

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#7 posted 01-08-2011 05:37 PM

I just bought an old Rockwell/Delta combination belt and disc sander on craigslist and this is how a tool should be made. When I think of the new ones I have been looking at in the stores …it becomes very obvious that newer tools (with a few rare exceptions) are built as cheaply and flimsy as possible. I feel lucky that I found this deal instead of having to settle for a new model.

I am not sure when this Rockwell/Delta sander was made…but it is very old and works like it thinks it is still new…well before the time when the company had a whole lot of new owners who downgraded quality and respect for putting their name on a product.

-- We all must start somewhere in our journey of doing what we love to do.

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#8 posted 01-08-2011 06:46 PM

I heard stanley/bostic bought delta /porta cable/dewalt/black and decker making them the largest tool manufactuer in the world.I could be wrong

-- Bill in Mich

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Russ

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#9 posted 01-08-2011 10:51 PM

My understanding from another site that TOTY is going to invest in a factory in South Carolina. I understand the Delta Unisaw is mfg in America.

-- Russ

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Eric_S

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#10 posted 01-09-2011 12:39 AM

I found this site for tools still made in america:

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html

It looks like lots of hand tools, router bits, saw blades and such are but I dont see any big power tools on there. Its a shame.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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jim C

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#11 posted 01-09-2011 07:50 AM

Boys and girls,
For what it’s worth, I worked in the Tool & Die industry, pretty much all my working life. I’m 64, (old, but not ancient), and ALL of the machines I worked on through the 60’s, and 70’s were made in the USA.
Names like Boyer-Schultz, Bridgeport, D0-All, Sunnen, Moore, Giddings & Lewis, Davenport,.... and I could name dozens more. These companies employed thousands of workers making serious middle class wages.
They are all extinct. These were major manufacturers of extremely precision cast iron, close tolerance machine tools that were indestructible.
In the 80’s, we started importing and utilizing Japanese, Swiss and German automated machine tools. Again, excellent machines of high precision. But, you could see the tide turning on American manufacturers.
In the 90’s, the far east took over.They put the American machine tool industry out of business.
Actually, we did it to ourselves. Our corporations, with the blessings of Washington, moved our ideas and manufacturing concerns to third world countries for bottom line profits and stock holder equity.
Any company in the U.S. that didn’t make the move faced competition from those that produced machinery at half the cost. They had no choice.
So, as Paul Harvey would say “now you know the REST of the story”

If anyone wants to read HOW we did it to ourselves, I’ll be glad to add more from a personal interview I had from a shop owner who was intimidated into giving up all his technology in lieu of losing his business. He now has no employees, or business, but still sits in his office and empty shop, waiting for the miracle that won’t happen. It’s sad.

-- When I was a boy, I was told "anyone can be President", now I'm beginning to believe it!

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#12 posted 01-09-2011 08:15 AM

As others have stated, General tools are manufactured in Quebec, Canada, and the Gen. International brand is overseas. I have a Gen. Int. TS and jointer, and have been really happy with the both of them, top notch solid construction on them both.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#13 posted 01-09-2011 03:30 PM

Buy a Grizzly ,We all know where they come from,and they stand behind them.

-- john50

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