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Making an ancient bucket MaFe #6: A simple angel marker

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Blog entry by mafe posted 02-06-2011 10:30 PM 2284 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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A simple angel marker
Less is more.

I had decided to make the stafs different width, and set up the angels by eye, and not by math.
But all our talks here made me think, and today I think I had a good simple answer!

First we have the ‘problem’, how do we determin those angels?
Here in PDF download version

Second my solution, a simple angle marker.
Here in PDF download version

So why do I thing this could be the answer;

It’s easy to make.
It’s low tech.
It’s cheap.
It can be used again and again.
There are a tradition for these types of simple angles.

What do you think?


Hope the PDF can be useful.

Mike thanks for this inspiring ancient bucket blog or master class.

Best thoughts,

MaFe

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.



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Jamie Speirs

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#1 posted 02-06-2011 10:48 PM

Mads, great to see you in full swing. :)

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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#2 posted 02-06-2011 11:07 PM

Hi Mafe,
You have struck a note with me with the coopering. TRY cerobertsonline/coopered . Not much information there, but lots of inspiration, coopered boxes——- beautiful.
Jack

-- Jack Keefe Shediac NB Canada

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#3 posted 02-07-2011 04:58 AM

Another bit of cleverness that is inspiring to see.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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mafe

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#4 posted 02-07-2011 01:22 PM

Hi,
Jamie, yes it makes my brain boil…
Jack, my ohh, it was truely a inspiration, what wonderful stuff that came up, now I have another note stuck…
Swirt, I smile!
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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toolchap

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#5 posted 02-07-2011 01:42 PM

I quietly watch you from my corner….read your blogs and say little. You have one of the most beautiful spirits I have come across. You add to this world in such a great way. Please continue and know that even though I might not say much, you are in my thoughts.

As always, my compliments.

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#6 posted 02-07-2011 01:48 PM

A wonderful, and very clever solution Mads! I’m throwing away my string! I’m glad to see that you have come around to thinking that the ancients might have used helpful things like this. They were after all woodworkers, and woodworkers love tools and jigs, so it seems just natural that they would use something besides their eye to get good results. We are all learning so much from this project. This little device solves a big problem. Thanks Mads, you are the best.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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mafe

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#7 posted 02-08-2011 11:18 AM

Look at this:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/outils-anciens-mesurer-cuir-Bourrelier-/180620980948?pt=FR_JG_Collections_Sciences&hash=item2a0dd972d4
Could it be the tool we were looking at?
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#8 posted 02-08-2011 10:44 PM

thank´s Mads
yes I think so Mads but thats a gess based on what Anayski posted in his bucket blog

take care
Dennis

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mafe

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#9 posted 02-09-2011 03:01 PM

Look here:
And here are the answer to what the French do:

http://ecole2chenes.free.fr/travaux/annee2005_2006/tonnelier/source/2dolage2.htm
Smile:
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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mafe

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#10 posted 02-11-2011 11:53 AM

Here a wall full of these French angel tools for the barrelmaker:

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#11 posted 02-11-2011 02:29 PM

thank´s for sharing Mads :-)
the ruler plaque looks real good

take care
Dennis

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#12 posted 05-31-2012 03:29 AM

Mafe,

I believe it was on Roy Underhills show about coopering, if the inside radius is formed, the edge angles are all at 90 degrees regardless of width. it Looks to be so in your pdf. Much simpler than French approach!

I really enjoy your posts, good health to you.

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mafe

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#13 posted 05-31-2012 06:57 AM

The angle is 90 to a circle so you need a jig, this gous for all the nationalities…
Thank you ;-)
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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