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Making an ancient bucket MaFe #5: The bucket - making the boards

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The bucket
making the boards.

Once again I will try to go my way, sorry Mike I’m a pain in the bucket…

I will make the stafs different width, and set up the angels by eye, and not by math.

Here is the PDF I made to show the principal.

This because it is my guess that it was done like this in the old days.


Stafs cut up in different width, now ready to plane with the new convex hand plane.
Before I could start I had to adjust the plane, the mouth was simply to narrow, and the wedge was a wee bit too long, so I kept having shaves stuck in the throat (took me a while to figure out this).


Shaves were flying all over, and in no time it was done!
Wauuu, a wonderful little plane, cuts so wonderful and smooth.
Learning: I should have made it longer and bigger! It was hard for the hands to hold this little plane. But I did it because I had a plane iron, and I wanted it to be small to store after, so in total I’m happy.
I found out that it was much easier and took less energy from my bad arms when I used it as a pull plane, like the Japanese, in this way I could use my body weight to take the shaves and not my arms.


Boards with curves!


Here the setup, I will make two longer and then try and fit the rest to middle.
I think I will make a lit for it after (Norwegian style).

Now I will see if I can get to make the bottom and lit.


Hope the PDF can be useful.

Mike thanks for this inspiring ancient bucket blog or master class.

Best thoughts,

MaFe

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.



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Bertha

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#1 posted 1300 days ago

Looks wonderful but I can’t keep my eye on the project; keep drifting to that wonderful round-bottom plane & gorgeous shave in the background. Outstanding work!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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Dez

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#2 posted 1300 days ago

Once again – thanks to the first and fastest!

-- Folly ever comes cloaked in opportunity!

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Bricofleur

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#3 posted 1300 days ago

That’s a good start! And nice shavings too? Don’t forget to stop by the drug store to get some ointment for your elbows and shoulders!!! (ha! ha! ha!). Take care.

Best,

Serge

http://atelierdubricoleur.wordpress.com

-- Learn from yesterday, work today and enjoy success tomorrow. -- http://atelierdubricoleur.wordpress.com

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Alexey Khasyanov

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#4 posted 1300 days ago

plane great, i PRINT)) for me a copy of http://lumberjocks.com/mafe/blog/20829

i’m sorry, but

i have very good book about cooperage (djvu format , in russian :O)))

many pictures that can help you in this project.
for interested can send on mail.
write in privat messages.

BR, Alex

-- Rev 22:21

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#5 posted 1300 days ago

great blog Mads :-)
thank´s for the pdf
I like your old wooden spokeshave
and good to see your are prepared with both the brass and the mallet
if the plane don´t behave …..LOL

have a good weekend my freind
Dennis

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#6 posted 1300 days ago

great pictures Anayski :-) ... thank´s
Dennis

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Alexey Khasyanov

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#7 posted 1300 days ago

MORE pictures in the book.

-- Rev 22:21

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Dennisgrosen

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#8 posted 1300 days ago

fantastic drawings Anayski
most be a great book to learn from …...if you can read Russian…..LOL :-))

Have a great weekend
Dennis

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lanwater

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#9 posted 1300 days ago

Your are almost there mads. Now you need to eyeball that angle.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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mafe

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#10 posted 1300 days ago

Hi Guys,
Yes I’m getting closer!
I must say it’s good that I got my pension, imagine a emplyer that had to pay me a months pay to do a bucket! I can see my health are not what it used to be, but I am happy though that I managed this in the three weeks. I am proud that Mike was able to make me able to go places I had not been, and even to make a hand plane of my own. Yes it gives meaning and love in my life, this wooden travel, to learn, to do, to be – thank you Mike.
Ian, yes, just the eyeball part now… (woooohhhh).
Anayski, thank you, and thank you for all the wonderful illustrations, now we just have to learn some Russian lol. (No a picture say more than a million years).
Dennis, yes it’s a beautiful old spokeshave I got from England, it’s a pleasure to use. The brass mallet are my own creation, and the mallet also a old English one, at the end I did become friend with the plane, and it was a pleasure. You have to try this, perhaps with some of the wood from Patron.
Serge, I’m sure tomorrow I will be well cooked, my arms and neck are not at all up to this, but I will be happy to take a few days on the coach for this, it’s well worth it.
Dez, I try, I try. ;-)
Al, yes my little baby convex plane. Smile.
Best thoughts and thank you for the comments,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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tdv

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#11 posted 1300 days ago

I bet you are so proud of the plane Mads the shavings are perfect. What a beautiful little tool nice job
Trevor

-- God created wood that we may create. Trevor East Yorkshire UK

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swirt

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#12 posted 1300 days ago

Mafe This is a lot of fun to follow along with. Thanks for putting all the work into the fantastic photos.

Pretty soon you are going to have to add the word “Cooper” to your signature. ;)

Anaysky, those are great diagrams. They are so clear they almost need no translation.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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#13 posted 1299 days ago

Great to see your good progress Mads and the results of your wonderful self-made plane. Thank you for the PDF. I had already discovered the disadvantage of the wider staves when I made a weeping stave for my first bucket try. I notice in all the real ancient buckets that the weeping stave seems to be always smaller than the other stave.

I have made a new and much better bottom for my new bucket. I did a not so good drilling for the dowels last time, and this time I paid a lot more attention to getting the holes properly centered, although I didn’t change the method and I used my ancient Dewalt cordless that I bought last month, lol.

I would love to use the more authentic different widths of staves as you are doing, but I think my materials aren’t wide enough to give much variation. I will consider it though.

As for doing the angles by eye only, I can see two particular problems which must be catered to. Those are (1) getting the angle consistent along the entire edge and (2) maintaining a consistent width of the stave at both ends. If these criteria aren’t met then the seams between the staves will not be tight. As I see it, the angle can be estimated by eye pretty closely and then adjusted as needed. The width at the staves top and bottom should also be checked for consistent width.

Looking forward to seeing your results. I also mention that the info shown by Anayski is excellent. The illustrations of the banding are particularly helpful as this part is critical to finishing our buckets. So Thank you Anayski for these wonderful color illlustrations.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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mafe

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#14 posted 1299 days ago

Hi Mike,
I have the pleasure to be invited by a friend tonight to a wine and tapas bar, for a tasting evening, we will be served wonderful wines and plenty of little delicatesse. SO no more bucket for this week…
I will be off next week but did make some progress that I will post as soon as I can.
Best thoughts, and thank you for the mail it warmed my heart,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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Dennisgrosen

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#15 posted 1299 days ago

enjoy the evening Mads :-)
drink a little glass for me (I work until seven a´clock tomorrow morning)
take care
Dennis

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