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Blog entry by kosta posted 04-16-2009 04:07 AM 1393 reads 0 times favorited 22 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I am looking into milling tools like a jointer and a planer which is a better tool to start off with.

-- kosta Virginia Beach, VA http://www.kostasworkshop.blogspot.com/



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PurpLev

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#1 posted 04-16-2009 04:19 AM

I got a jointer first… so I can tell you from experience:

get the planer first…lol.

it’s easier to get one side ‘somewhat flat’ so that you can run it in the planer and then reverse and run the other face, then to joint one face, and then have to handplane the other face parallel and to thickness.

not trying to take away from handplaning – I like it. but from your question, jointer, and planer are both for milling more lumber and faster than manually planing them. and a planer will give you a more versatile machine to start with.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#2 posted 04-16-2009 04:30 AM

yep i had my planer for about 5 years before being able to afford an 8” jointer

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#3 posted 04-16-2009 04:39 AM

I would start with the planer. As I said in an earlier post you can joint lumber with a table saw, router or a planer. But a planer is really the only tool that you can effectively dimension rough lumber with.

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#4 posted 04-16-2009 04:43 AM

I recently read an article in a ww magazine that showed how to use a router as a jointer. It is a straight bit used with an offset about the thickness of laminate to get the uniform edge. Other than a drum sander and hand work, I don’t know how to otherwise get the uniform thickness in stock needed for most projects.

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#5 posted 04-16-2009 05:42 AM

This is like asking should I buy the hammer or the nails. They are two different things but you really need both.

-- Common sense is so rare anymore when you do see it, it looks like pure genius.

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#6 posted 04-16-2009 06:09 AM

the ‘classic’ answer is you need both, however like most situations in woodworking there are work-arounds…

here is an example of a planer sled that mvwoodworks mentions

http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=5245

and of course you will still have to decide how to produce a straight and square edge

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#7 posted 04-16-2009 06:35 AM

Jointer first. You have to have that first before the planer. The jointer gets the boards flat on one side then the planer gets them to the right thickness and the sides are then parallel. Without one flat side, the planer is useless iin my opinion. But, you can’t get two parallel sides with a jointer so you actually have to have both. The advantage of the jointer first is you can face joint the sides of boards to glue up panels.

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#8 posted 04-16-2009 07:06 AM

I think it depends on what wood you have. I get most of my kd wood from a mill that has no twist and mostly 4/4 thick rough sawn so the the planer is needed to take it to 3/4 for most of my projects. The planer was the second big tool I got for the shop. I found my joiner on CriagsList for 50 bucks, and it get used alot but the planer get used a lot more.

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#9 posted 04-16-2009 07:47 AM

You need a credit card to carry both of them at a low interest rate… lol

Yeah, you can do stuff other ways but what a hassle. Bite the bullet, DeWalt 735 no question and maybe you can luck out on a used 8” but I still have my Ridgid 6” and it’s pretty bullet proof for not a lot of $$$. Less than $1000. Do it.

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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#10 posted 04-16-2009 09:39 AM

Go to www.newwoodworker.com/articles (Buy jointer or planer first) This is a great tool review sight.

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#11 posted 04-16-2009 01:52 PM

Like some others I’d say that both are nice to have even though there are work arounds. But,

I’m not that experienced… I had, and fixed up an old Cast iron Craftsman jointer. With sharp blades and good adjustment I can’t figure out why I’d get a newer one except to get a larger bed. This one is 6”. It’s really a pretty simple device and produces smooth right angled edges.
Then I managed to get a new Dewalt 12 1/2” planer a few months ago. This device reminds me of the tasmanian devil on those warner brother cartoons. I really winds up when it gets going. It has some almost micrometer types of adjustments and is made to take down wood smoothly hopefully getting it done without snipe. (no snipe btw.. it works really nicely). I would be wary of purchasing an older one of these especially since they’ve made improvements over the years to eliminate snipe.

So, If I had to make choices and money was an issue which it usually is, I’d save for a good planer and if I had to, I’d look around for a good used, even very old but working jointer. And I think that if working ok with a cast iron bed, it’s still going to continue working like when it was first purchased. Maybe newer ones have some improvements. But, if it gives a smooth, square edge, what more does it need to do?

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#12 posted 04-16-2009 01:53 PM

not sure if my opinion counts since i have neither (yet!). but i will definitely say planer first. of course you need to be planING and jointING at the same time, doesnt mean you need a dedicated tool for the jobs:

-you can do jointing with a router
-you can make a sled to take any warp/cup/etc out with the planer
-even with a wany edge on the lumber you can make a sled to remove it on the table saw

so if im going to be shelling out hundreds of $ in the near future you bet it will be on the planer.

basically what they said!

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#13 posted 04-16-2009 03:33 PM

I bought a jointer 10 years before I got a planer. I think this is the way to go, but your experience may vary. If you want to buy roughsawn stock, then get the planer first. If you buy s4s stock from the borgs, then get a jointer.

-- Julian, Park Forest, IL

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#14 posted 04-16-2009 05:17 PM

The only problem is if I have to take lots of passes on the planer to get the edge flat so that their is no chance of kickback on the table saw.

-- kosta Virginia Beach, VA http://www.kostasworkshop.blogspot.com/

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#15 posted 04-16-2009 05:24 PM

sounds like you’re a bit confused on what the planer does Kosta… it does NOT joint an EDGE…. it will only flatten FACES. to joint an edge to make it safe to use the table saw – you’ll either need to use a hand plane, a router, or a table saw sled.

do some research on milling lumber, and what each machine CAN and CANNOT do…

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