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Wegner inspired dining chair #3: Shaping the back seat

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Blog entry by kaerlighedsbamsen posted 07-15-2014 09:19 PM 1046 reads 1 time favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 2: More testing and narrowing in + some toolmaking Part 3 of Wegner inspired dining chair series Part 4: Much more prototyping »

Feeling that a lot of uncertainties have been cleared away in my last post it is now time to take on the most challenging part of the project: shaping the back rest.

This is where tings are getting a bit complicated. Shapes in 3d is difficult to visualize and shaping takes a long time.

Having done a series of sketches i had a semi vague idea where i wanted to end:



In order to work fast i decided to start using mdf for the first tests. Shaping in a combination of freehand and using dividers to get the curves right. Cut out the resulting shapes with a jig saw:



Glued up and rough shaped wit a rasp this is what came out:



And seen from the top:



Hmm… A bit too wide, too low at the back and those “horns” are not quite right. Next attempt:



And from the top:



Definitely better! Bit still not quite sure about the “horns”. Are they too much? How about just a flat end?



And closer up:



A sharp chisel and a rasp makes super quick work of shaping that mdf. Those japanese saw-files are great and probably the best cost/quality ratio i have ever seen:



These tests have clearly showed some parts that works and some that dont. After some more thinking, more sketches, more coffe it was time to do a test in real wood. Sketching up the shape:



The stock of elm i have is 45 mm thick and that does put some limitations on the construction. Would have prefered to make the back part of only one piece of wood in order to avoid a joint in the middle. Well- not an option. Fiddled wit a suitable solution for a while and settled for a 4 part back jointed with finger joints. Gluing that shape together can be a challenge but found that the work bench vice was a great help:



Lotsa glue…



The back shape is a perfect semi-circle and not having a shaper the TS will have to work. Made this simple jig and took about 3 mm thick cuts:



This left this surprisingly fine surface:



For the inside it is hand tools only:



The narrow parts are easily done with the frame saw:



And after almost 2 hours of chiseling, rasping, spokeshaving, card-scraping and sanding this is what emerged. Now we are talking! A lot better. Nicer curves and “tighter” shape overall. :



Here the whole process in steps:



Another rubberband test:



Was so pleased that i went ahead drilled mounting holes. The legs needed to be shortened a little and realized that the dowel-cutter could be used (same diameter):



And the finished product so far. Now we are talking! A lot better. Nicer curves and “thighter” shape overall. Really comfortable to sit on and those short horns give a nice rest to the elbows while not being in the way while eating/writing:



And from the side:



The finger joints are not super tight and i either need to get access to a real shaper or find another method for making them at the TS. Starting to realize why Wegners furniture makes so heavy use of shapers..:





Thats it for now. I got SO much closer in this step. Not quite there yet but i am starting to feel confident that this will end in some ok nice chairs. I’m a happy woodworker today!


I am still not absolutely sure on the shape and would love to hear you opinion: How about the general shape? Is the back rest too short? Should the chair be narrower at the back overall? Are there better suited (or better looking) joints for the back rest than finger joints? Could it perhaps be steam bent? Let me know what you think!



-- "Do or Do not. There is no try." - Yoda



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SPalm

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#1 posted 07-15-2014 11:38 PM

Bravo.
Looks really fine from here. I like the back that you ended up with – the first one had to much of a point. The stubby version looks great. Of course I am not sitting in it, so it is kind of hard to judge the comfort.

Overall the design looks good to me. I have some concern over the tops of the front legs poking me, but only you can report if that seems to be a problem.

Nice job of the making of the back. I don’t have any recommendations for an easier build, but I will think about it.

Take care and congrats,
Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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japie

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#2 posted 07-16-2014 12:10 AM

I don’t know if I’d go to the length of building one, but it seems that for accurate box joints on a table saw, it’s hard to do better than Wandel's jig.

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Jim Jakosh

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#3 posted 07-16-2014 12:39 AM

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love your process. Thanks, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#4 posted 07-16-2014 06:26 AM

I`m wondering what Derek will be thinking about your finger jointing on the back rest.
Probably a little envious of your lateral thinking??
He is possibly trying to stay true to the original.
This feels a little like heresy here—-talking behind His back.
Ron

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kaerlighedsbamsen

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#5 posted 07-16-2014 07:06 AM

Thanks guys! This has been a super fun process and i appreciate all the positive feedback.
@Steve: I had concerns about the front legs as well but decided to go with that design after trying several other chairs. They are not uncomfertable. Could perhaps shave a few mm of the top but it will easily be structurally weak.
@japle: I’m a great fan of Matthias Wandel’s stuff and pondered the box joint jig as well. Might go that route. Problem is- as well- that i’m not sure i like the look of the box joints that much. Perhaps a little too “boxy”..?
@ronniebo: I feel that Derek is a class above my tinkering. He seems, like so many men, to be driven by “i want to see if i can do that” – a drive i have myself as well. In that light it makes perfect sense to make machined joint with handtools. Might even try it myself one day.

-- "Do or Do not. There is no try." - Yoda

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#6 posted 07-16-2014 07:32 AM

Wonderful. Your own design but very Wegner inspired. I love it.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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SPalm

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#7 posted 07-16-2014 12:01 PM

Not sure if this is his handiwork or not, but these splines in the back are kind of cool:

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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kaerlighedsbamsen

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#8 posted 07-16-2014 02:46 PM

@SPalm: Those are nice splines. Something like that would look nice. Wish i had a larger workshop with all those tools.. Thanks!

-- "Do or Do not. There is no try." - Yoda

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#9 posted 07-16-2014 07:59 PM

looks very nice

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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mafe

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#10 posted 08-20-2014 01:40 PM

Wauuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s really fine work you have been doing.
I was eating the blog as if it was candy, enjoying your pictures and you progress, step by step.
Think you have made a wonderful chair and with your personal touch and simplicity to the Wegner concept.
The fingers just give it some life, I like that.
You should be proud of your self.
Bravo.
Best thoughts my friend,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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kaerlighedsbamsen

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#11 posted 08-20-2014 07:31 PM

Thank you for the kind words and good carma, Mads!
This has been the largest and most ambitious project i have done in ww so far and it has been a great experience. I have since made yet another prototype (but have not yet made anoter blog post) and have reached a bit of a creative vacuum and could realy use the eyes of an experienced architect with an helicopter approach to help me boil down all my ideas and ambitions.
Did you go see the exhibition btw?

-- "Do or Do not. There is no try." - Yoda

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mafe

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#12 posted 08-20-2014 11:34 PM

No where is the exhibition?
I must come and see the chair life soon.
Smiles,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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kaerlighedsbamsen

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#13 posted 08-21-2014 06:36 AM

Here: http://designmuseum.dk/udstillinger/aktuelle-saerudstillinger/wegner
A must-see in my opimion! – And just a quick ride on the scooter…

-- "Do or Do not. There is no try." - Yoda

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