Hi Folks,
There is alot of Domino support and bashing, as well as Dowelmax support and bashing on various woodworking forums. Typically the owners of the tools talk about them like they are just about the second coming. The detractors talk about their excessive (relative) price. The Domino “won’t pay for itself.” The Dowelmax is no better at 250 bucks than a beadlock is at 50 bucks. Usually stuff like that. If you read close enough or care, many of the supporters and detractors don’t have either tool. They usually have some other way that you should spend your money and I’m sure kick their dogs and roll through stop signs!
Anyway, I love tools. I love to buy them. I love to compare them. It’s my hobby. I thought I’d toss together a crappy little video demonstrating the Domino and Dowelmax with making a butt joint, and in edge joining stock.
Please note that I don’t script these, I don’t rehearse them, I don’t really even plan them very well. They are off the cuff and I may confuse myself with terminology and have some jittery camera work. I hope you get the point that I am neither a professional woodworker, nor am I a professional videographer.
I do make the assertion that I’m better at woodworking that I am at video production.
So, here is the video. If you have any comments or critisim’s, fire away. If you want to bash either tool, please send your comments to either Festool or Dowelmax. I didn’t design either of them, I purchased both of them just because I wanted to. I don’t support either company over the other and I have no intention of defending my opinions to anyone, though I will happily join in poking fun at my haphazzard methods of video production.
Thanks!
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31 comments so far
Dan Lyke
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posted 433 days ago
Thank you! Now I want both, but I had had my eye set on a Domino, now I’m wondering if, for my purposes, the DowelMax (or, for some of these things, even something simpler cut out of a hardwood on the drill press) wouldn’t do in the interim.
And I’m looking forward to that project where you use one of everything.
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fred
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posted 433 days ago
Thanks for the demonstration and the comparison.
I think this months “Wood” magazine compared and contrasted the pros and cons of dowels, biscuits and loose tenons.
Thanks, Tom, good job.
BTW you appear to work faster than the Energizer Bunny.
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coloradoclimber
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posted 433 days ago
Tom,
This is an excellent presentation. Good information, good presentation. I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for putting in the time and effort to create it.
scottb
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posted 433 days ago
Quote Mot: Please note that I don’t script these, I don’t rehearse them, I don’t really even plan them very well. They are off the cuff and I may confuse myself with terminology and have some jittery camera work.
Dare I say (before watching) you can still take comfort in that you are no Ed Wood! (infamously the worst movie director ever)
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mot
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posted 433 days ago
HA! Don’t count on it!
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Don
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posted 433 days ago
Thanks, Tom, I enjoyed this.
I just checked out the website of DowelMax – a Vancouver based company. I might drive over to there factory tomorrow and buy one.
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David
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posted 433 days ago
Tom -
Cool, fun, awesome! Very nice video – looking forward to more of the same.
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mot
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posted 433 days ago
David, I’m not sure which joint was harder to pull apart. I thought of you when I had to grunt to get that Domino joint apart.
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scottb
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posted 433 days ago
Both hard to pull apart eh? can save a bundle on glue then!
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oscorner
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posted 433 days ago
Thanks for taking the time to explain the dowelmax and dimino tools. Cost of having to get the dust collector and started kit would keep me from buying the Dimino. In the Wood Magazine test the dowels held almost as well as the Dimino and better than the BeadLock, which didn’t make me too happy. I enjoyed your video and your eight year olds use of the Dowelmax.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 433 days ago
great video. Thank you.
That Festool set-up looks really convenient (with the dust collection) and it also looks $$$$$.
Did you say that the DowelMax can be set up to use different thicknesses of wood? It sure looked easy to use.
Don, lucky you that you just happen to be in Vancouver!!! :)
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mot
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posted 432 days ago
Don,
The Dowelmax is worth the money. The inventor, Jim, is a really decent cat to talk with as well. I just spent time on the phone with him, but it’s worth taking the time to talk with him.
Debbie, the Dowelmax can be used on just about any thickness of wood up to 4” anyway…It can be used on T joints, face joints, but joints and on really thick wood. It’s a nice piece to have around the shop.
The Festool stuff is expensive, but it's sooooooo nice. :)
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MsDebbieP
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posted 432 days ago
I just spent some time at their website and saw the 4×4 use. I also showed Rick and told him about your daughter using it.
I’m pretty sure that this will be the way to go—especially since I’m now committed to building my next table without screws.
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Bill
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posted 432 days ago
Bravo..another great K&T production. They both look like great tools, and it was nice to see how they actually work in the shop.
Thanks Mot.
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Karson
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posted 432 days ago
Very nice production. I enjoyed your showing us both tools.
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WayneC
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posted 431 days ago
Great video. Thanks.
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Hawgnutz
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posted 412 days ago
Very nice video! I enjoyed the non-professional presentation, while being professional about the use of the tools.
I think I will stick with teh Dowelmax over the Domino. Expense is teh main reason. I don’t use M&T joints enough to justify the cost. I am sure tha it IS worth the cost to somneone who consistently uses M&T joints.
Thanks for teh presentation. I thouroughly enjoyed it.
God Bless,
Hawg
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Bob Babcock
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posted 406 days ago
I finally got the chance to sit thru this Tom…nice job. I’d love to have both but I’m definitely going to get the dowelmax…I’ll wait until after the summer challenge,...keeping my fingers crossed. I bought a cheap dowel jig that caused me big problems with the gate I made for my brother. What is the largest size dowel you can use on the dowelmax?
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MsDebbieP
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posted 406 days ago
love my dowelmax!!
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mot
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posted 405 days ago
Bob, you aren’t limited by length, but the biggest drill guides are 3/8”. The nice thing about dowelmax is it’s a no -brainer to put multiple rows of 3/8” dowels, so only become limited by the 4” thickness restriction. However, if you are doweling something thicker than 4” (of which I have no idea why you would…) you can still draw reference lines and use the jig to dowel 2 – 2×12’s face to face. It’s pretty bloody cool.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 405 days ago
yup… pretty derned cool alrightee :D
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mot
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posted 405 days ago
Mind you, the Domino will do all of that too…at about 3 times the speed with 1% of the mess and WAY more noise.
The Dowelmax, like the tablesaw tenoning jig, is one of the GREAT values in woodworking. Some may think, $200 bucks??
, but see how versatile it is and all the places you can use it AND then see that you’ll buy it once and your grandson will be giving it to HIS grandson…you get my point.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 405 days ago
yah.. and not only can Tom’s 8 year old daughter use it, but “I” can too !!!! :D
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TomFran
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posted 397 days ago
Tom,
Thanks for the video. You’ve got me wanting that Dowelmax now. Does anybody know if Walmart sells these! ;^D
I’m definitely going to try to figure out how I can justify (in my mind) spending $240+ on a doweling jig.
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mot
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posted 397 days ago
Tom, consider the fact that your grandson will give it to his grandson. There is nothing that you can wear out on this baby. Powertools will be by the wayside, but the dowelmax jig will be dug up by archaeologists in 2 million years.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 375 days ago
I’m looking through the current issue of “Canadian Woodworking” and thought I’d share this:
Furniture Project: Harvest Table … one of the tools used? DowelMax
Easy Project: Toy Box …. main tool used? DowelMax
Home Project: Step Stool… yup.. DowelMax
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WayneC
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posted 375 days ago
Deb, and here I thought you were posting to say you got the Domino.
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mot
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posted 374 days ago
LOL…Dowelmax is a popular little tool. I’m going to do a video review of the 1/4” setup when I can get to it. The boys at Dowelmax were kind enough to send me one out so they deserve some recognition for it.
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MsDebbieP
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posted 373 days ago
haha Wayne. I don’t need to buy one—I can just use the CTS and slip on over to Mot’s shop :D
I had to use the 1/4 in the other day because I ran out of the larger dowels (used the very last one in the very last hole on my daughter’s table that I made).
I didn’t use the little plate that goes with it.. whatever it is for. Probably something important :)
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PeterYu
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posted 79 days ago
Excuse me Wayne but I have a quick question. When I the computer first loads the page, I can see the pictuire of the DowelMax but for some reason, after I click play, the screen turns black and the arrow keeps on moving. Any idea why? This is happening on so many of your great videos!
mot
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posted 74 days ago
Fixed.
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