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Golden Mean, Golden ratio in constructing items.

Blog entry by Karson posted 75 days ago 507 reads 9 times favorited 12 comments Add to Favorites

The golden Mean or Golden Ratio is a number that people use when making items, buildings and furniture, They are determined a couple of different ways.

The number is used to determine proportions between pieces of the item being constructed.

One of the easiest to remember is to take 1 and 1 and then to add two consecutive numbers to get the next. The numbers in sequence are:

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89 etc. This might work if you were making something 89” tall and the width would be 55” wide.

A different way of calculating the number is take a calculator that has a square root function. Your computer has one. Enter any number 89, 22222, -45, .24876 etc. Take the square root of that number, add 1, take the square root again, add 1 take the square root again. Keep this up until the square root number never changes. You will get a number like this 1.6180339887498948482045868343656. If I add 1 to this number and do the square root again I get the same number.

You can take this number and multiply or divide it by a measurement and calculate the other one.

For example a box with a height of 4” the width on the side would be 4 X 1.618 = 6.472 your width of the end should be 6.472 or 6.5 inches. The top would then be 6.5 X 1.618 = 10.517. So the box dimensions would be 10.5” wide, 6.5” deep and 4” high.

For the bookcase that I was designing for the Challenge04, I estimated the height to be 54” high and 40” wide. Lets see how this would calculate out 54” divided by 1.618 = 33.37 or 33 3/8” But I was planning to put legs on it and I estimated them to be 10” for an overall case size 64”. Lets determine the width now.
64 / 1.618 = 39.555. That is within the range that I was wanting to build.

The base was estimated at 10” high. What then should be the width of the base at the side. 10 X 1.618 = 16.18” In my rough estimates I guessed at 15” for the case sides and about 16” for the top and probably the case bottom. All of these measurements are within the pleasing range for the eyes.

The shelves would be about 17.5” wide across the front. 40” – (1.75” X 2) – 1” = 35.5” Each shelf would be 17.75” wide. The spacing between the shelves then should be 17.75 / 1.618 = 10.98”. Since a lot of books are 11” high, the spacing should be at least 11.5”

This is a way of determining measurements for items that you plan to build.

See Davids blog Furniture Design #1: Fibonacci gauge

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-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

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posted 75 days ago

Whew! Way too much arithmetic for me in that one. Great explanation Karson.

-- Maplewood, MN

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jockmike2

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posted 75 days ago

Karson you must have taught college trig or something, you lost me back at the 1and 1 thingy. And I got straght 4 points in college allgebra. LOL I love you anyway. mike

-- Mike. Profisher50@yahoo.com

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posted 75 days ago

Karson -

One of my favorite subjects! Great write up and application of the Fibonacci Sequence and Divine Proportion . . . I added this to my favorites list.

David

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posted 75 days ago

Sorry Mike. It’s more something. I took a 3 hour class in furniture design taught by Graham Blackburn, I made a statement and he cut me to pieces. So I figured out that I needed to figure it out. So this was my trials at making something that looked proportionally good. Making something that looks good in construction came about by making some firewood first.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

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Lee A. Jesberger

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posted 75 days ago

Hi Karson;

One of my favorite subjects.

We design nothing without these formulas. A lesson learned long ago was it takes the same amount of time to build something clunky, as it does to build something graceful.

My favorite designer I’ve had the opportunity to work with taught me most of what I know about design.

One thing he brought to my attention is the fact that these same numbers work together in many combinations.

Great topic.

Lee

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posted 75 days ago

One of my favorite subjects!

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

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Betsy

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posted 75 days ago

Whew – my head is spinning—- that’s a lot of numbers and figuring. Thanks for lesson.

-- Betsy - There is no strength where there is no struggle

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Karson

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posted 75 days ago

The thing I like about the calculator version of the formula is it works with all numbers not just 5:8 and 8:13. You can use it for size even the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.

And you only need to remember the 1.618. If you forget just use the calculator and figure it out again.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

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posted 75 days ago

With you all the way Karson, thanks for sharing. the 1.618 is close to the ratio of kilometres to miles (1.609), so easy for me to remember.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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posted 75 days ago

This is a fundamental ratio in all furniture design. I use it all the time when doing takeoffs from old catalogs and photos. It renders proportions pleasing to the human eye (for who knows what reason) and can be first seen in the Greek Parthenon.

-- bbqKing, Lawrenceville

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posted 73 days ago

Thanks for a great explanation of this, I’ve added this to my favorites.

-- Tim D. - Woodstock, GA

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posted 73 days ago

Thanks for the comments, I appreciate it.

-- Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com

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