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Ruminations, Philosophy, and Workshop Antics.......... #30: Woodworking Vise – Upside Down Mount, Shrouded Mechanics – What’s with that?

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Blog entry by Jim Bertelson posted 02-12-2012 11:31 PM 7187 reads 1 time favorited 47 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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PREFACE
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I just had to have a woodworking vise on my multipurpose bench.
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So, if you want to see how a lot of work, some off the wall design, and worrying about the details solved a tough problem, read on. And as usual, we will have a little fun along the way……
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I have another ancient one on my 40 year old work bench, so what’s the need? The old bench is no longer the focus of my woodworking, and in fact in recent years my flimsy folding project tables shouldered the lion’s share of my efforts…until my multipurpose bench came along. It replaced one of the project tables. The multipurpose bench is rigid, nearly immovable, and very efficient to use. It excels at clamping, sanding, assembly, nailing, planing……you get the drift.
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If there is any trouble understanding the situation, it might be useful to review my postings about this bench prior to the vise installation….
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See my project (http://lumberjocks.com/projects/51199)
Associated blog with more detail (http://lumberjocks.com/jbertelson/blog/24418)
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It is a complex beast.
…and it made installing the vise a……bear…

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It is also a minor review of Victor, my 7 ¼” York Vise, sold by Lee Valley.
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(http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=54873&cat=1,41659,41661&ap=1). Cost about $100.
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THE SCENE
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Understand, my tools have names, both because they are friends, and it is easier to refer to them as I write about them. I know, not very professional, but it’s part of life in my shop.
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. First of all, here is my multipurpose bench, Maggie, prior to Victor invading the scene:
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After Victor has muscled his way in………
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Topless…pretty risqué, Maggie.
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Victor has been putting on the squeeze for a few months now and he is effective. No complaints, I wouldn’t risk it with that Victor fellow.
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THE PROBLEM
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What made this so difficult?
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1) The top of the bench is reversible, so the vise could not be attached to the top.
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2) The vise had to fit between the pedestals of the route through side of the top, and under the top, and yet be flush with the top. Therefore, the size of the vise was limited. Both the size and the general profile of the York 7 ¼” vise made it a good choice, and perhaps one of the few choices.
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3) The top also functions as a downdraft table, so sawdust would be flowing around the vise. Hence the vise mechanism had to be covered (shrouded).
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4) This vise, like most vises is designed to have screws going up into the top, so the top of the vise is flat for a mounting surface, but the bottom is quite irregular. And mounting the vise upside down was not workable due to the top/bottom asymmetry and design of most vises and the quick release mechanism.
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THE VISE, AND THE REVIEW
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So first, here is Victor the vise, prior to installation. This is a special presentation for Mads. You all know Mafe here on LJ’s. He has made his affection for Vicky, my NX60 Veritas block plane, quite apparent, but has made no further advances. So Vicky the block plane asked if she could pose with Victor the vise, to display her sexy profile, and accentuate Victor’s masculine lines. And I acquiesced. That Vicky is a real flirt. And she loves to play with Victor.
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There she is, with hardly anything on, how scandalous! Mads obviously has good taste in women, but for this gal, he better have carbide taste buds…(-:
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To review, Victor is the vise, Vicky is the plane, and Maggie is the bench…got that?
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Now, I really like Victor. The handle and knobs were an optional additional purchase. Very nicely made. Victor is made in the Czech republic, and is generally well finished and works smoothly. I made the jaws out of maple, two ¾” pieces laminated together, and put the 2 degree bevel on the outside jaw they recommended. Works well.
I have one beef, they forgot to clean up the rust on Victor’s shoes……..er……well the end plate that holds the center screw and two rods. It was plain black iron, with some rust on it! Now, granted, it should never be seen, but rust on metal always gives me the ebejeebies, so I took it off, cleaned it up and spray painted it green. So Victor get’s 4.5 stars, seem reasonable?
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MATING THE VISE AND THE BENCH
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So a couple of modifications in Maggie’s figure were made to shoe horn Victor into Maggie. Victor is soooo… big.
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1) I had to cut a notch to fit the vise on each end of the top, because it overlaps the table. Both ends because the top reverses end for end when you flip it. If you look at the first two pictures you will see before and after the notch was cut in the top to accommodate the vise.
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2) A hole was made in the basin end for the vise. Here you see DeDuster rigged to get the sawdust as the Bosch Multifunction cuts out the hole. The multifunction tool made a better cut than my jig saw.
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But that was the easy part…
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Remember, I have to attach the vise to the basin, not the top.
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Well I enlisted the help of that scallywag Sketchup here, you know, that slimy lawyer that will do most anything
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Did you know he could make a 3D diagram of what you want, and in this case it was a complex profiled piece of wood to fit the bottom of Victor…
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..it is the bluish semitransparent object here in this cutaway of the installation…..
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…and then section it with another object………(leaving out the details)…..
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and then make a 2D full scale view of the cross sections and print them out,
attach them to a piece of wood, and cut it out with a band saw? That Sketchup guy, anything for a buck…………

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Then you glue them together…..notice Maggie in action here helping with the clamping………
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At this point you have a base of laminated maple, shaped to fit that complex bottom of the vice, and you can run big long 6” lag screws through the whole thing and 2 inches into the underlying solid pier of Maggie….Maggie is built like a brick…..oh you know.
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That vise is not going anywhere, anyway!
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In the above picture you can see the four lag screws and the base, all installed in the multifunction bench.
But then I had to build a shroud to protect it from the dust, since it lies in the collection space for the downdraft function of the bench.
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Here you see the removable shroud set in place, ready to screw in.
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CONCLUSION
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So that is the story of how Victor and Maggie got together. Vicky, the block plane is still available Mads, but you should make your move soon!
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Watching Victor get a hold on things with Vicky on top making curls and just smoking……….
(no impure thoughts here, LJ’s…)
…as she brings a piece of wood down to size……..
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You got competition Mads!

Oh well, ‘tis done……….
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tah, dah
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THE END

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska



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lew

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#1 posted 02-12-2012 11:40 PM

Mesmerizing!

Do you have to be careful mounting the vice upside down? When you open it do things fall UP? ;^)

Nice work, Jim!!

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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Jim Bertelson

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#2 posted 02-12-2012 11:50 PM

Lew
Actually, the vise is rightside up, but it is mounted in the wrong direction…........oh, you know what I mean!

We are here in La Conner until Saturday, and have been here 4 days already. Prior to that we were down in Portland and Eugene Oregon. Bunch of errands…....

The weather in La Conner is a big improvement over Anchorage, even if it is cloudy…...

Have a good evening Lew.

Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Joe Lyddon

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#3 posted 02-13-2012 12:07 AM

Hi Jim!

Glad y’all got home OK from your wonderful little trip…

On this project, looks like you have a wonderful marriage of Victor & Maggie…
... now, we await the Little Ones to be created! LOL

Great job!

You pulled all of the right strings!

Maggie is sure versatile isn’t she… just like a good woman should be! LOL

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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canadianchips

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#4 posted 02-13-2012 12:17 AM

A vise is always an added bonus. Nice story. YES, I do name some of my tools too. Makes working more fun at times !

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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DIYaholic

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#5 posted 02-13-2012 12:19 AM

A well engineered design, eloquently and entertainingly described.

Kudos, for both informing & delighting me!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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Jim Bertelson

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#6 posted 02-13-2012 12:26 AM

Joe
Hey Joe, how’s things? Nope, not home yet, still in La Conner until Saturday. But I took all the photos awhile back waiting for some spare time to blog it. Gad zooks, these blogs take a little bit of time to do. I got a reputation to live up to….....(-:

Glad you liked the blog…....made it…......for everybody…..I think…....or not…..hard to say….hmmmmmmm

Guess I made it for you, for sure!!!!

Later, Joe, thanks for viewing….......

Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Jim Bertelson

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#7 posted 02-13-2012 12:28 AM

canadianchips
Thanks for the read and the comment. I don’t know about you, but the older I get, the more every-thing looks like someone I know. Is that my brain failing? Or are we all getting uglier…..?.......(-:

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Jim Bertelson

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#8 posted 02-13-2012 12:34 AM

Randy
Yah, I keep getting a little slower too, not sure anybody appreciates it….except for the obvious…......(-:

If I hadn’t overengineered the bench, I wouldn’t be overengineering the vise installation. A cascading set of calamities…you know the drill…...(-:

Thanks ever so much for the read and the comment…......

Jim, in La Conner, Washington, on vacation…...for a bit….too short a bit…...

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Pete Jansen

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#9 posted 02-13-2012 12:46 AM

Nice job, I’d like to add one of those into the cutting area of my CNC router table. NICE.

-- Lovin' sawdust in beautiful Fort Collins, Colorado

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patron

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#10 posted 02-13-2012 12:50 AM

wow jim

you really pigged out on this

lets see
doctor
engineer
author
psychologist
trouble shooter

what a great build !
look forward to see what else you come up with

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Joe Lyddon

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#11 posted 02-13-2012 12:51 AM

OK, you’re still enjoying the nice warm country of Washington state!

OK, I understand… you have the time to do something with the pictures you took awhile ago… GOOD! I’m glad you were able have them with you & not on another disk at home. LOL

Nice going!

Enjoy the time off the best way you can… while it lasts…

later…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Jim Bertelson

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#12 posted 02-13-2012 01:00 AM

Lonetree
Hey, buddy, thanks for the viewing. Hope the CNC is back in business and making dust. This was a tough project, lot of delays while I hemmed and hawwed about it.

We have cloudy weather here in La Conner…...back in Anchorage they have the usual winter weather calamity…...

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Jim Bertelson

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#13 posted 02-13-2012 01:11 AM

David
Hey, I actually have a couple of projects to post as well, if I get there, get the time, get the energy, get the get up and go. Bet you understand that….........

Actually one of the projects just needs some minimal finishing, both of them for Sherie…....

This bench is obviously very individual, just made for me and my style of work. But it is such a pleasure to work on. I wondered at times whether it was worth it, but it was. Just like my super sled that you goaded me into, and I just love….....(-:

........the only problem…....wish I had a duplicate of that bench here in La Conner. Never happen of course…....

Well, we are off to eat pizza and drink beer. Go cut the top off a cactus, get that juice, make some moonshine and have a Margarita on me…...(-:

Take care….hope all is well…....

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Jim Bertelson

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#14 posted 02-13-2012 01:13 AM

Joe
I know you are smirking down there in California…......(-:

But at least it is green here…........(-;

Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Joe Lyddon

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#15 posted 02-13-2012 01:23 AM

It has been raining the last two days…

... That makes things Green… for a little while… LOL

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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