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Blog entry by Mark Whitsitt posted 1537 days ago 1406 reads 1 time favorited 19 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Ok, so I’m not typically litigious, and I’m happy to share images of the things I work on, but lately, I’m finding that covering my @$$ legally makes more and more sense… (it hasn’t been a friendly business year…)

So, I’m going to start licensing my images using the Creative Commons license, and here I’m testing HTML code generated by www.imagecodr.org

Here’s a image of a drawing I made last night to visualize cutting an isosceles/equilateral triangle on a table saw:

Let’s see what happens…

Cutting Isosceles Triangles by whitsittms, on Flickr
Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic License  by  whitsittms 

Ok! Outstanding!

The CC license I’ve chosen is the ” Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic” license. This essentially says you may freely share this image as long as proper attribution is given (to me) and you may also adapt this work (i.e. create a deriviative work, or modify this work) as long as attribution is given, and you redistribute your derivative under the same CC license!

All of this is strictly for NON-COMMERCIAL Purposes!!! If you wish to use this for commercial purposes, which I’m not particularly against, all you have to do is to contact me and get permission.

Clicking on the image should take you to the Flickr page with the full size image on it… Click on the little CC icon below the image for license details…

Cheers!
Mark

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."



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BOB67CAM

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#1 posted 1537 days ago

ummm not trying to be a jerk but i wanted to show you this
triangle done by someone other then jawhorse..lol
so if im thinking correctly about what your trying to do…this isnt the way to go…sorry
this is most likely the only way to go
proved to be made by jawhorse!
no way to steal this without alot of hours of photo editing…

-- if you dont have it, build it, especially when its a stupid idea

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BOB67CAM

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#2 posted 1536 days ago

i also forgot to mention, u can set the opacity (seethru more or less) to your liking also, this was just the 30 second version ;)..lol

-- if you dont have it, build it, especially when its a stupid idea

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#3 posted 1536 days ago

Bob,

By default, pics posted to Flickr are “all rights reserved” and, strictly speaking, if I hadn’t changed it to the CC license, you would have been in total violation of the law! (chuckle)

Since I have licensed it under the CC license, I am actually allowing and encouraging others to repost/redistribute this image as long as when they do, proper attribution is given. Similarly, I’m encouraging people to revise and improve my work, as long as they give proper attribution.

I’m not really interested in obfuscating my work with the watermarks, but that’s a great idea if you want to ensure attribution!!!

In addition, I’ve chosen to DISALLOW commercial use without obtaining a specific waiver from me personally.

NOW… of course this presupposes that my work is of significant interest to others… I know this is not really a legitimate supposition 8^)

But, you never know, I might produce something cool enough some day to warrant such protection. In the end, this blog post was really just an exercise in seeing how the CC license tools and imagecodr.org work with LJ blogs/forums and my Flickr account.

Cheers!
Mark

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

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BOB67CAM

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#4 posted 1536 days ago

ok i guess there was a post awhile back about stealing pics and i assumed this was a post stringing off of that, however if u look at the 1st pic i ..aham..blatantly ripped off from you, there is no actual credit to you…and ya id hate to see too many watermarks on LJ.com it would really take away from it and placeing them off of the peice would mean it would be an easy edit..lol but anyways just thought i was helping ;)
but i do understand better after yer 2nd post thanx

-- if you dont have it, build it, especially when its a stupid idea

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Mark Whitsitt

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#5 posted 1536 days ago

Yes, you did rip me off!!!! grin lol…

I missed the discussion of stealilng pics… I’ll have to look it up. My apologies if my tone was too abrupt… the watermark is indeed a great idea for assuring attribution.

If we can get really geeky for a minute, you can also add a digital watermark into an image that essentially uses steganography to embed copyright information into the file without visibly impacting the image content. There are a plethora of steganography and digital watermarking applications out there, and is likely the subject of just as many theses and dissertations.

Digital watermarking is pretty easily defeated by, probably, just as many free apps from the intertubes…

All of this is more than just a bit of overkill… I still contend that my “intellectual property” isn’t all that valuable and spending the time to add this much protection to it seems a bit silly… smile

The person who really wants to rip you off is going to do it even if you’ve locked things down. The CC license, just like the lock on your car or truck… it helps keep the honest folks honest.

Mark

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

#6 posted 1536 days ago

kinda takes the fun out of wood working

-- i wonder if obama stood in a wind storm with them big ears of his would he start spinning like a drill bit

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#7 posted 1536 days ago

exactly…

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

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#8 posted 1536 days ago

Hi Jawhorse,

I’ve seen some of these discussions come up around here and I gotta say, it rubs me the wrong way. The goal of this online community is to share, as stated in the posting rules. To me, all this stuff about copyrights just kills my sharing buzz, if you know what I mean. Isn’t it automatic that your work is copyrighted anyway? I just don’t want to see all these copyright logos and stuff because I think it’s a put-off to the average user who probably didn’t see this discussion. Just saying.

-- Jim

#9 posted 1536 days ago

Intellectual property is an important concept because it helps first to build the author’s reputation and credits, and secondarily, helps the author to be properly rewarded for his effort, skill and artistry.
Copyright, under present law, is conferred even if the author does nothing to acquire legal rights, but this provision in the law doesn’t do much in a court of law. So a simple claim to copyrights is necessary to demonstrate due diligence, which if lacking can result in denial of rights.

Now, having said that, allow me to state further that I, personally, have had a lifetime of work for which I’ve rarely been paid for or even given credit for. Only a small part of what I have authored deserves such compensation and I have no regrets about that. But, I do wish I had been a little more careful about my legal rights for other things, photographs, drawings, paintings, etc.

Here’s an example of what I now practice.
When I intend to freely share my work I sign but make no claim. Sometimes I will specifically include a disclaimer to the effect that I wish to place it in the public domain and sometimes I will ask for attribution without monetary compensation.
For works for which I wish to preserve my rights I place specific copyright claims on the work, such as “©2010, Don Butler”.
I undestand, though that such claims can be cropped off, for example, in a photograph the border where the claim is customarily placed. So I will edit the photograph in such a way that the claims cannot be cropped off without destoying the image’s value. Digital encryption of claims is one way, but difficult to demonstrate. My approach is to put visible but inobvious claims in the image that don’t detract from the image but can be shown when a claim of intellectual property is necessary.
I’ve placed claims on tree limbs, on boards or even in grass or wallpaper using colors that keep the claim from being obtrusive, but retaining visibility. Miniaturization of the claim can be effective, allowing one to place it in a drawing, for example, next to a line where it doesn’t jump out at the eye. It just has to remain legible.
My wife and I also have works of authorship in her line of work which have both textual and graphical parts and in which we wish only to retain credit but not monetary compensation. In these documents we place the claims in the body of text and in the graphics.
Of course, none of that can prevent theft. In the end, if we want to pursue monetary compensation for our intellectual property we will simply have to hire lawyers and go after infringers. If we merely want credit for authoring such works but the work is plagarized we have little recourse.
The idea of “the Commons” is an old idea. This Creative Commons licencing would probably have little more legal impact on the scene of authorship, but it depends on public goodwill.
Goodwill, I fear, is lacking in those who deliberately plagarize.

d

-- Will trade wife's yarn for tools.

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#10 posted 1536 days ago

OutPutter,

I totally and completely agree!!!

The whole purpose of using the Creative Commons license is to ENCOURAGE SHARING and ALLOW people to make deriviative works!!!! You should read this page that describes the license I use.

In order to more easily post my pictures on LJ, I first upload them to Flickr.com. The default copyright on Flickr is ”ALL RIGHTS RESERVED”, which is NOT what I want! Far too restrictive!

If you now go to Flickr to look at my image, it now says ”SOME RIGHTS RESERVED” after I applied the CC license! (Look along the right side of the page under “Additional information”

If you also go back to the TITLE of this blog post, you’ll see that the real purpose of this blog post was to simply see how the code generated by ImageCodr.org worked on LumberJocks. I never thought I’d pull this sort of discussion out of the woodwork (pun intended!)

Now, what’s the advantage to me?

First, it opens up the rights for sharing and modifying my works (as described above)

Second, it instructs others to give me proper attribution (most people would anyway…)

Third, it instructs others who want to use my stuff for derivative works to publish their work in the same fashion (that is, continue to allow others to share the derivative work and further modify it). This way, someone can’t take my work, modify or use it, and then prevent others from doing the same!

Fourth, it gives me some recourse should I find my work in a commercial context without my approval.

That’s it!

Mark
”...let your yes be yes, and your no be no…” Matt 5:37

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

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propcarver

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#11 posted 1536 days ago

OutPutter,

Years ago I had a very successful web site that offered original plans, techniques and jigs and fixtures. All for free. The only thing I asked was that the plans be distributed freely and everyone enjoy the hobby.

Someone decided to steal all my work, re-label the drawings and charge 5 bucks each. This person actually posted the plans to their web site and proudly declared that all payments would be on the “Honor System”. Thieves don’t have any honor in my opinion.

I took down the site and although I continue to design projects I no longer offer them to anyone except a few very close friends.

Bob’s efforts to protect his work should be appreciated. If the embedded licensing info “Rubs You The Wrong Way” just don’t use the plan or drawing.

Regards,

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Mark Whitsitt

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#12 posted 1536 days ago

Don,

Very nicely put. The CC license neither ensures nor prevents anything. It does, however, communicate how I wish for my works to be used. Nothing more, nothing less…

Thanks!
Mark

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

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Mary Anne

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#13 posted 1536 days ago

The Creative Commons is a great concept… for those who will abide by it. In my experience, the CC licensing works only with the folks who would have given you attribution in the first place.

The rest are going to “borrow” your work without any thought of copyright. For most, it is a matter of not being educated on the subject. But there is also the attitude, by many, that everything on the internet is or should be free, and you are a naive idiot if you put it “out there” and expect that no one will take it or copy it. (See the recent LJ “discussion” on Art Theft. There are endless heated discussions on Flickr as well. No need to re-hash it here.)

The CC license may give you a leg to stand on if someone uses your work commercially. The problem is, can you afford to litigate? Those who knowingly ignore your copyright, assume that you can not.

Good luck to you! And thanks for sharing. :)

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#14 posted 1536 days ago

well to throw a line back to propcarver, i dont care to worry so much about my stuff, if u havent seen it, its not worth the 30 second watermark…lol and if it was i doubt id personally use then for the same reasons mentioned above that i agree with ;)
but i misunderstood what jawhorse was trying to do and thought i was helping, as usual i wasnt much help..lol
i am however left with 1 question…wth is steganography?..lol

-- if you dont have it, build it, especially when its a stupid idea

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#15 posted 1536 days ago

heheh…

Steganography is the process of embeding non-image data (usually encrypted in some fashion) into an image file. For example, I could embed an encrypted PDF document in a JPG image. This typically doesn’t visually change the image, but the file itself can become pretty large depending on what you put in!

You’d need steganography software to both embed and then extract the PDF from the JPG, and then decryption software to read it.

Look it up on Wikipedia…

In this context, steganographic techniques are used to embed (unencrypted) copyright information into the image.

And you are absolutely right… my stuff really ain’t worth too much, but a quick click on Flickr is pretty easy to do.

Mark

-- -- "there are many good reasons to use old hand tools, but moral superiority is NOT one of them..."

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