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Toy costruction #22: Peter Built truck "Testing the waters"

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Blog entry by htl posted 03-04-2016 06:34 PM 1441 reads 0 times favorited 23 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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The reason I’m posting this is for feed back, please would like your thoughts on this.

Many of you have built the T&J projects do you wish now that it was smaller or is the size just right.
But also would like your feed back if you haven’t built any this big.

Getting ready to build the Peter built Toys and joys truck but this thing is so big I mean it’s like huge!!!
I don’t know why the T&J models just don’t look that big in the pictures.

I thought the well driller was big when I started it and I guess I got used to it but the thing fits on the truck so that means the trucks even bigger!!!.

I’ve been building toys for 40 or so years off and on and I guess I’ve got used to my toys being 1/2 the size of the t&j.
The well drill can stand on it’s own so not worried about that.
Here’s some of my models and toys up next to the log truck from T&J full size plan picture.
This was just a quick group together and shot so dusty and not great lighting.

The dump truck has 2” wheels the T&J has 2 3/4” wheels.
I thought this truck was big when I built it a couple a months ago.

The car has 1 1/2” wheels if I remember right.
I liked this size but kind of small for much dealing.

Here you can see the steps up in size.
The cars small
The dump truck is to me a good size the bull dozer is just a bit bigger from the Wood Store plans.
When I built the bull dozer I thought the t&J plans were this size.
Then we jump up 1/3 bigger to the T&J builds to me way bigger .

I’m just having a fight with myself over the size, it’s just monster big, then when I get it built I’ll be wanting to build the Belly Dump Trailer, Just the trailer is 32” long…32” long.

The truck will be around 17” together they’ll be around 4’ am I seeing this right FOUR FOOT!!!

Would like some thought on this please.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.



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sras

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#1 posted 03-04-2016 07:34 PM

You can scale the plans down of course, but what determines the ideal size for you? Here are a few questions to consider…

Is there a display area that determines the ideal size?

Storage area?

Are they for little ones to play with or display only?

Are the toys for sale and it’s a matter of market attractiveness?

Does the size require more material than you wish to use?

Or maybe it is just appearance. If that’s the case what size looks right?

My father has built several toys and some of them got pretty long. He has a shelf along one wall and they look great. But the shelf is long enough so everything works out for him.

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#2 posted 03-04-2016 07:50 PM

Those of us who dont build the “toys” are living vicariously through you (and others like Dutchy) so I say GO FOR IT ! You build the coolest things ! So much cooler than a bookcase or installing a new door :-)

One day I MIGHT get the courage to tackle some of these things but not quite there yet !

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htl

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#3 posted 03-04-2016 08:18 PM

IT’s just for me.
I just build for the build it self.
Once it’s made I’m on to the next project.
I don’t know why but the size just ercks me is that a word the spell checker says???
Thanks for asking the questions it gets me to thinking and looking behind the feelings I guess.
As you see in the pictures my TOYS! are out in the shop gathering saw dust.
After 40 some years of dusting my toys the BETTER HALF has seen enough of them. lol
So it’s the build that keeps me coming back for more.
IT’s funny but my other love is computers so half the fun is having things to put up and talk about.
I just sold a doll house I built took what a month to make and barely got the price of materials so no not selling them. lol

I’ve put up many a book case, houses, helped build dams, water treatment plants so next lets talk concrete form building. lol

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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ralbuck

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#4 posted 03-04-2016 08:47 PM

Building toys is a joy in itself!

I have built a few “just for me” many for nieces/nephews/ grandkids and great grandkids, and some just for other kids. I even sell some occasionally.

As I try to use free/scrap wood unless on a commissioned project I can keep most of my costs low.

It is a joy to know the rocking horse that I was coerced into building for our oldest grandson( I did not think I could succeed) is now being used by a great grandson.

The wooden toys you make are very well made and worthy of display too!

I try to make only “playable” toys, not models! I really do not have the patience or skills for them, but admire the fine work I see others do!

Keep on enjoying the build—eventually someone other than the woodaddicts may APPRECIATE your good work!

-- just rjR

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htl

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#5 posted 03-04-2016 09:28 PM

Ralbuck like you I mostly till now just made my toy’s out of scrounged wood, but something clicked when I made a triplane for Steve’s Plane-a-than awhile back.[I can’t remember what it was called]
As you can see in the pictures above my builds has just kept getting more involved and now I can hardly beleave what I’ve been building the lost couple a months.
It really started 2 winters ago building doll houses, I got a kit from Hobby Lobby [just to have some thing to do] the cheapest they had $16 with no tools. I bought a jewelers saw and mini miter box and went to building doll houses kits. Then last winter I got a dewalt contractors saw and built a scratch built doll house thats in my projects file.
Then came that air plane and it’s all down hill from there.

Now don’t let it sound like these are my first toys I’ve been wood working for near 50 years in all kinds of projects.
I had retired and given all my old wore out tools away and then we moved where I now have a two car garage to play in.
Ain’t it sad I gave all my broke tools away so now new ones follow me home every so often. Sad but true, sad but true.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#6 posted 03-04-2016 10:22 PM

Bruce speaking for myself I like the T&J scale. Maybe it is bigger than from other plans. I never have bilt others so I don’t have comparative material.

For so far I know (I’m not 100% sure but mean to remember I have read this somewhere) the belly dump trailer has the same scale as the excavator.

I agree with Steve that you can scale the drawing. Maybe you have a scanner and able to scale. The logging truck isn’t the most difficult but making him smaller will making the building process more difficult. T&J models has a lot of detail and making it smaller will at a given moment become technically impossible. It is up to you where the limits are But as said already the logging truck isn’t the most difficult, so in this case I think you can scale it.

Consider also that scaling plans with fractional measerment (T&J is fractional) is much more difficult than metric plans and when your well dril is standing on the “big” T&J truck you need less space than a smaller stand alone truck and a stand alone rig.

I’m curious about the well drill sizes.

What ever it will be good luck with your choice, and I look forward to the construction process.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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#7 posted 03-04-2016 11:47 PM

SRAS Thanks for the many questions they got me thinking and not just stuck in a rut of to big.

Dutchy I have a scanner so that’s not a problem, I can adjust to just about any need.
Almost all my other builds have pretty well been just from a picture.
That blue doll house I made was just from 3 pictures of a house in Japan.

It’s just me, I’m used to a different size once I get started I’ll get over it.
Dutchy I’m not really building the logging truck,it’s just pictures I have to go by for scale and measurements.
You’ve done such a great job on your how to’s I see no problem following and using the best of bother your truck builds to make mine.
There’s some other great trucks on here to get ideas from too.
I’m also thinking of building a sleeper truck if that’s what you call them, or is it over the cab something or other but that would really tax my shaping ability.
I’ll probable leave the back long to start with so I can put the well driller on it for pictures then switch it over to pull the belly trailer.

That’s the plan but we’ll see what comes of it.
May make a great fire half way through.LOL
I don’t know might be willing to trade some one plans if I had some thing they liked.

I don’t know why but this truck looks interesting to me.
Wouldn’t this be a cool truck to pull a flat bed trailer for the excavator.
The truck and excavator look a lot alike or would when I was done with it.
Still in the planing mod right now, that’s why I started this post just haven’t set on which way to go.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#8 posted 03-05-2016 07:35 AM

I,m curious how it is going on. We will see.

When you are going to build the MACK (from picture above) I would like to join you building a semilair truck. This Mack looks like the european types. A couple of months ago I have been to a truck trade show to do some inspiration to build such a truck. But unlike you I never have build my own model, and till now I still dare not to build a truck. After I have finished the dump truck and some other activities I will start building a Landrover. I all ready started with a ACAD drawing. This Landrover is square and “easy” to draw.
This is what I have in mind:

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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#9 posted 03-05-2016 08:01 AM

When you start building a truck isn’t is a challenge to build the MACK but also a dutch DAF. The chassis of both are the same. The lights of the DAF are difficult to make but maybe you have a good solution. DAF is a Paccar compagnie with a factory in the netherlands. The motors are from Paccar. DAF is one of the biggest truck companies in europe.
So please think about it.

BTW The dumpt truck I build is a Freightliner. And Freightlander is a brand of Daimler (Mercedes)

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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#10 posted 03-05-2016 03:04 PM

I have built a few of the toys and joys models, and after building the High Sprocket bulldozer I thought hey I will build the scraper to go with it. well surprise surprise the scraper is a much smaller scale, although it is a nice little scraper it is too small to be correct. But it sits on a shelf away from the dozer and looks fine.
I am not sure if I would be able to scale up or down ?
Right now I am working on another old John Deere without plans and it is kicking my behind! not sure what it will look like when done so far it is just one step above kindling!
Dee

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htl

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#11 posted 03-05-2016 06:25 PM

Dee If it turns in to kindling do a video of how to burn up a project that’s kicked your butt , I’ll bet it would be a real hoot.
You know I’m just kidding but wouldn’t that be a funny.
You would think T&J would give us some idea how the different vehicles match up in size.
I love the old tractors they look like a really fun build specially the back tires..

Dutchy go over to the T&J forum there’s a guy that just posted some really cool parts.
His wheels would look out standing on the rover and my truck.
And it would be easy to use his under neath just what you need.
You’ve built two trucks so you know whats needed, just need to shorten the frame a little.

I’m thinking of this truck above in a four wheel or six wheel drive to get the drilling rig where it needs to go.
Have a bunch of mufflers and air filters behind the truck cab with the safty screen from the logging truck behind that then the drilling rig.

And how about using his springs but glue it up using two woods like you did on your truck.
His truck doesn’t even have a frame under neath.
There’s so many way to go about this.

Check out that post and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

Here’s where I got the picture of the truck, there’s front side pictures to be blown up for plans.
http://www.macktrucks.com/trucks/terrapro-series/

What I’ve done before is print out the picture measure the wheels then print it out inlarging it till the wheels are the size you want, then print all the side front back what ever at that size and you,ve got your plans or at
least you’ll know how wide how tall and so on to make it and it’s all in scale.

Sorry but you guys are getting me fired up
I just came back from the lumber mill with some walnut cherry and I still have some sassafras left so all set. yahoo!!!

Way cool!!!!!

Dutchy can you get Sketchup where you are?
I’ve got just what you need for inspiration.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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htl

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#12 posted 03-05-2016 06:48 PM

Dutch one cool thing about building this truck.
I don’t think I’ve seen another one like it in toy form I mean.
That’s why I’m interested in it some thing diffrent.

I just noticed something interesting on the Mack truck the rear springs are just like you did it on your newest truck. How cool is that.

I’ve seen the T&J plans for the Hummer and really every thing is pretty much flat like you say.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#13 posted 03-05-2016 07:17 PM

Bruce I have sketchup 8.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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htl

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#14 posted 03-05-2016 07:20 PM

Check this out.
It’s what you need to get you land rover started.
Email him and you may be able to check the hummer out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_LFUY5exeo

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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Dutchy

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#15 posted 03-05-2016 07:31 PM


Dutchy go over to the T&J forum there s a guy that just posted some really cool parts.

- htl


Can you give me a URL. I can,t find what you mean.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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