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Roger Clark aka Rex

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#1 posted 1106 days ago

William, I know exactly how you feel being unable to do much and getting depressed about it. I have actually just gone down to the shop and sat there to get the feel of the place.
Last year I to made a box withing a box after watching a U-Tube video. I just used a piece of a 4×4 post cut down to 3×3. The thing that makes a better job is quality forstner bits and selecting the correct speed for the cuts. If the bits smoke when cutting then the speed is too high, generally the bits operate a slow speeds and are dependent on size.
Be very careful when cutting the inside box corners that are left connecting, use a very sharp knife or hacksaw blade – they are awkward to get to using regular tools.
I sanded mine as best I could and put Danish oil on it. The grain showed nicely and gave the wood a nice light sheen.

PS. I used Freud bits
Have fun

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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William

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#2 posted 1106 days ago

Thanks Roger.
If I didn’t get any better suggestions here, that is what I was going to do next, get a post from the lumber store. I think they’re made out of pine or something. I know they’re a softer wood than what I done these out of though. That mahogany is an easy cutting wood, but drill bits seem to catch the grain sometimes and give it hell.
I have cheaper bits than Freud. They’re from Harbour Freight, but I Sharpened them and they cut clean in anything I’ve used them in. They’re just catching that grain. I have a Ridgid floor model drill press and I ran it on the slowest speed. Working with something so delicate when you get down to those last few micro sizes before getting ready to cut away the inside cube, I was scared to go any faster with the bit than the slowest speed possible.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#3 posted 1106 days ago

You made the right choice. The projects look good!! When people ask why I wear 2 pair of sunglasses, I tell them to prevent and control migraine pain. I have had them nearly every day since June of 2000 and a lot of them for 6 years before that. You can either get up and go or lay in bed; your choice.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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William

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#4 posted 1106 days ago

So true, TPSurvivor.
I suffer from depression. I have ever since my health went down hill and I’m not able to get up and go every day like I used to. Before my wreck in ‘99 I was used to working twelve hour days on easy days, and I loved it. I tried all the doctor’s “depression meds”. I have found in the last couple of years that the best medicine for depression is to do something. Even when it isn’t enough to amount to much, just as long as it’s something.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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David

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#5 posted 1106 days ago

William. I know about depression ery well. MY first open heart sugery in 1996 { at 46 } drove a truck all my life across the US and Canada for 20 years and would do it again if I could. Another surgery in 2005. Two heart attacks in between. Had main arotia replaced with 7 1/2’’ of something. Both sides of neck and both legs cleaned out. retired at 58 and now taking care of my father-in-law in his house. But I will not give to my self pity so my wife of 43 years said build a woodworking shop to keep my hands busy and mouth shut. I was not expecting to build it myself but look at me going in circles with bandaid’s hung all over. I am have never built anything. but like woodworking and drinking coffee. Hope you and TPSurvivor have the best day every day.
If I ever give up on woodworking I will be sleeping in that damn shop.
Best wishes.
David

-- David, Center,Texas

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fussy

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#6 posted 1106 days ago

William,

I ran into the same problem when I tried. A cube in a cube is easy in 1 1/2” stock. I use the same HF bits you use and agree they’re fine (Tin coated, right?). Where we are runnung into trouble with doing a 3 cube puzzle is the size of the block we’re using. I tried using a 10/4 piece of cherry that worked out to 2 1/4 on all sides after milling. There’s just not enough material left if you use a bit large enough to see what you’re doing on the inner cube. I am searching for 16/4 walnut, cherry, sapele, etc. to make a cube lqarge enough to try. I don’t think your problem is bit quality, speed, or technique. It’s a limit on what you can do with a given size piece.

Roger, Topamax, and David have the right idea. Do something in the shop, even if you have to drag your keister there and back. I told my doctor that I didn’t hurt as much in the shop. Guess the mind can concentrate on only so muuch stuff. Keep at it, all of you.

Steve

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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devann

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#7 posted 1106 days ago

William, I like your latest woodworks. They’re intriguing to say the least. The captured ring turning is cool. Do you think you can make one with more rings? I don’t know, I don’t have a lathe. And the cubes inside each other are pretty slick. I might have to give that a shot someday. Sorry to hear that you haven’t been feeling well. Staying busy is good for the mind, and you display such nice workmanship on your projects. It’s gotta make you feel a little better in the end.

Roger, glad to see you back at the keyboard, I look forward to seeing you back at the shop. I went looking to see if you posted your version on the cube you described above. Maybe a picture someday?

Topamax, Thanks for the fettuccine alfredo recipe you sent me. Nothing like a sweet cook like that to get a fellows spirts up.

I guess Steve said it best. In the shop and your mind on woodworking can be the best therapy sometimes. Y’all stay at it.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#8 posted 1106 days ago

I was depressed and suicidal after I took myself off the Topamax overdose. Most people who are put on these drugs are when they come off. I know exactly what you are going through. I had no real choice. The idiots wanted to put me on massive doses of Seroquel to spend the rest of my life staring out a window. My wife told them I had been fine 6 months ago and my daughter diagnosed the problem in 1 day when she researched my migraine meds. I can’t believe those b@$tard$ are that incompetent, I believe they all stick together behind the great white wall of lab coats for the sake of the almighty dollar; to hell with anyone they screw up. I talked to at least 50 attorneys after a friend who is one told me I had a malpractice case if there ever was one. They all said justice starts at $400,000 and goes up, I survived and am recovering, so get on with my life. I couldn’t even find one atty who files frivolous lawsuits to take a good one ;-(( The SoBs cost us at least 250k plus screwing up about 3 years of my life. Took 3 1/2 to recover my ability to type. I still scramble 15% of the words and it has been 6 1/2 years. I think I am past sides effects now and into permanent damage. The SoB doubled me up to 400 mg when I had side effects enough to warrant taking me off. I found out later from an old classmate who is a nurse in the field that 25 mg is a normal dose most people are on. Fair warning, anyone who trusts their life and welfare to a doctor is a damn fool. Do your own research, google side effects and horror stories. These are some to the best kept secrets by the corporate media along with Iodine 131 coming in from Japan at 140 times the safe level in rain water. This looks like a 50 year expirement on our grandkids.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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William

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#9 posted 1105 days ago

fussy,
The cube in a cube is 2 1/2” square.
The cube in a cube in a cube is 3 3/8” square.
That was the reason I chose the mahogany stock over other woods I have in the shop. The thickest soft woods I have right now are only 2x material, which works ou to about 1 3/4” I think. That just wsn’t big enough.
As for the forstner bit, I actually have the next bits up from the tin coated. Mine are high speed steele. I needed some forstner bits once and when I was in Harbour Freight I decided to pick some up. When I went to look at the tin coated bits, the one you’re referring too, they had the high speed steele on sale for the same price on a larger set, so I bought them. They also carry a titanium coated set, but for the price, I would rather spend a few pennies more and get freud.

Devann,
Thank you.
As for the captured ring, I do think I could make more rings. I was thinking about that last night actually. There is several things I may have to do in order to accomplish it though. For one, I think I’m going to bend one of my chisels to cut the rings loose. The reason there was only two is I have to come in at an extreme angle to cut the rings free after taking away enough material around them. With a bent chisel, I could rest the tool more safely on the rest and cut them loose.
Luckily for the bent tool idea, I have about twenty cheap (I mean real cheap) chisels I have picked up here and there. I have next to nothing in them and have no problem basically destroying them in order to make a specialized tool that I need.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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William

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#10 posted 1105 days ago

Anyone,
Please skip this response if you don’t care to hear part of my health story. I don’t like telling it, but it closely resembles Topamax’s and I think it needs to be told. Doctor’s will kill you.

Topamax,
I understand your story all too well. At one time the doctors had me taking nine different pills three times a day. When I wasn’t asleep I wa like a zombie. We could have a conversation and I’d fall fast asleep mid-sentence. Now understand I’m not talking about in the middle of you sayine a sentence. I would fall asleep in the middle of MY sentence.
I still go to my therapist and phyciatrist. I find that it is helpful for me to have a place to go and just unload all my worries and such on that therapist so I don’t do it to my wife or anyone else close to me. I know that sometimes that therapist feels like jumping up and running like hell. Oh well, that’s what the therapist is paid for, to sit and listen to people like me. Then I have to go in to see the doctor. She gives me my prescriptions. If I took all that she gave me though, I’d be a fool.
Presently, they expect me to take a total of 200mg of zoloft a day, and 450mg of wellbutrin (zoloft twice daily, wellbutrin three times). In my opinion, anyone who has had their whole life snatched out from under them and can’t do the one things they trained and know how to do that could make them a living, well, if they’re not depressed, then they’re the one who’s crazy. That’s why I do whatever I can to keep me busy. I’d be lying though if I told you it doesn’t bother me greatly though that I still get down so much that I can’t do enough to completely support myself.
I just seen a commercial where now they’re having side effect that are messing people up with zoloft, wellbutrin, and effexor. It worries me that I have in the past taken all these drugs for extended periods of time. Those weren’t the worst though.
The worst was last time they stuck me in the hospital because I had become suicidal. They put me on abilify. I took that stuff the last two days I was in there with little problems. Then two days after I got home, things got weird. I was hallucinations. I broke out into cold sweats (this was in cold winter weather) and my hert was racing ninety miles to nothing. My wife called an ambulance to come get me. At the hospital, they didn’t want to treat me because they were sure I was on “illegal substances”. My wife had to raise hell to get through their heads that the only meds I’d been taking were doctor prescribed.
If it were up to the doctors, I’d be dead right now.
I spent two and a half years in a wheel chair. My right leg was weak and my left leg wasn’t working at all. Diabetes were out of control. I had suffered two heart attacks. I started cramping in my abdomin real bad. I went to the doctor figuring it was potassium defficiency like I’d had problems with before. It turned out that my muscles had deteriated to the point that I had pulled a muscle coughing. The doctor basically told me I was slowly dying. So I went home and crawled up in bed and decided that if I was dying that there was no need in hurting myself getting up and all. I may as well lay there and die.
Two and a half days passed. All of a sudden, it hit me like a ton of bricks. There was no way in hell I was going out like this. I didn’t want my kids remembering me this way. I got up with my walker that I’d been using inside on fla floor against doctor’s orders. The walker enabled me to use my upper body to keep myself from falling. I went to the living room to ask one of my sons to go walking with me. He grabbed the wheel chair to push me. I explained that, no, I needed him to bring the chair so that when I had worn myself out he could bring me back home. I wanted to walk. To hell with what the doctors said. Remember, he had told me a few days earlier I was dying anyway. What did I have to lose?
So I walked. The next day I walked farther. Then farther. This went on for months.
Then I had an idea. I didn’t do mechanic work for thirteen years without having good problem solving skills.
By this time I had graduated to a cane for my left side. I had the idea that if I could figure out a way to keep that left leg from buckling out from under me, I could walk without a cane or walker. So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a knee brace with the hinged flat bar in it. I cut into it and turned the flat bar around so it wouldn’t bend the direction of my leg. Then I tightened that brace on my leg just as tight as I could stand it, and I walked.
This worked. I slowly built the strength back in my one good leg. Later, I had a guy who had had knee surgury see me struggle with fastening and unfastening that brace everytime I sit down or stood up. He gave me a brace he didn’t need anymore since he had new knees. This one has a lock on it that easly locks the leg stationary, or unlocked for it to bend. It has been a blessinf for me.
Now here’s the funny part. I have used things to fix this brace for about three years now. Things like aftermarket velcro strips from the hardware store, the extreme duty one. The doctors won’t get me a new brace like this. Why? They say because with the condition of my back that all it’s going to take is one bad fall for me to be complete paralized. In my opinion though, if I’m going to stay in a wheel chair like they won’t, I may as well already be paralized.
The moral of this story?
It’s important to listen to your own self. Do whatever you can to stay active. Inactivity and depression can and will kill you.
For anyone who decided that this post has been off topic, inappropriate, or misplaced, I want you to consider this.
The story goes on way after this. In the end however, the point is that I wound up doing wood work. It is this ability to do my wood work, at my pace, and on my bodily schedule, that has kept me from either withering away, or blowing my brains out long time ago.
In my story, I have said to hell with the doctors and all their medicine. The only thing I take now is pain killers (only as needed, not three times a day like the doc says) and muscle relaxers for the muscle spasms (again, only as needed, not the three daily).
As for my depression, wood is my medicine of choice.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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Blakep

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#11 posted 1105 days ago

William, I am really sorry about all that has happened to you. I don’t mind you posting your story at all, as it makes me thankful for the things I have and it just gives me a different perspective on life itself my hearing it. Stories like yours always make me think when times are bad that it can always be worse and for me not to worry about the little things and to just be thankful for another day. I don’t live very far from you so who knows, maybe we can meet over a cup of coffee in the future. Keep your head up and keep doing what you love and remember that you are inspiring a lot of us on here.

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William

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#12 posted 1105 days ago

Blakep, if you ever come towards Vicksburg, I always have the coffee on at the shop. Shoot me a PM ahead of time so I can give you my phone number to set up a time and place to meet.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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Blakep

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#13 posted 1105 days ago

Will do. I work in Jackson and we do jobs in Vicksburg every so often so the next time i’m coming that way I will let you know.

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rance

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#14 posted 900 days ago

William, first off, I don’t mind you sharing your story. I wish the best for your future.

As for the cube tearout. Pick the face(s) that give you problems(end grain, I believe) and drill those first. In doing this, they will have the maximum support. When you finish the inner cube, then(and only then) back out and start drilling for the middle cube(end grain first, of course). I never done one of these but that’s what I would do.

If you still have problems, then I’d suggest slower plunging. Try it again and let us know your results. Chin up. :)

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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William

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#15 posted 900 days ago

Thanks Rance.

I made another one of these a while back with great success. I’m sorry I never posted about it. It happened to be done more of a test of a procedure than a project though.
It came from me learning a valuable lessone. Cheap forstner bits are not sharp. After realizing this and hitting the cutting edge of the bit with a diamond file a few times, the tearout problem went away.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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