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The Muse of Dancing Wood Art

....dancing water drops,

my vision instilled on wood,

shimmers of shellac….

—by flp

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And so lets look at the larger picture here….

....now what I’m wondering is who first started the, and can I say; ”myth about shellac and water damage”, without offending the gods? I will be writing more on this one soon, but to date the above photo was taken last Sunday (2008-09-29). I was out at the above work-space this evening (2008-10-02) and decided to take some more photos of the slab of maple. shellac and water. One may by now wonder where all these water shots are coming from…..and to that I can only add, heavy rain came in last Friday throughout the weekend and since then we’ve been some getting rain every day. Since last Sunday I am no-longer drying or wiping the top off from the water….why should I?

I’m not at this point going any further into this mis-truth about shellac and water, except to say that fresh shellac that has cured, is able to stand up to water. I did no-thing extra to protect the wood or shellac….and the coats I used on this top are in the realm of ‘five coats’. When I write more on this I will be updating and showing much more pictures along with my thinking on shellac.

I do know there are many who have stated about how water will damage a finish of shellac….and there are some situations where this is true, but then I also know from experience (by doing + action of work) that shellac will stand up to water and that is except for those exceptions to the rules of wood finish. I might also add, that where one to read all those books on finishing with shellac, talk to all those who teach shellac….not to mention all those who have never tried what I am showing in these blog//stories, but will often quote what they have read or heard….? Do you get the point at what I am driving at here….until one has tried it them-self, what good is that opinion?

And so once again, I took these photos this evening and I’m still looking for those white water marks that some say will appear, if water is left on shellac….

.....hmmm, I’m still looking. So if you want to see more on shellac myth busting….I’ll be writing a new story on the days, this one slab of rock maple has spent covered not only by shellac….but by raining, raining, rain water….

More to come as the test of shellac continues….

Linking back to in this series to:
1.) All Good Wood Projects Need….
2.) WoodWorking Vision
3.) Drupes and Drupaceous Nuts as Tung Oil
4.) Go Ask The Lac-Bug About Finishing Wood
5.) Tales of A Wood-Worker’s Tools
6.) Lets Test Art-Full Shellac
7.) Prepping Wood and Shellac for Rain

Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank
RusticWoodArt

rusticwoodman@gmail.com
http://frank.wordpress.com/


’’....work smart, work safe, and live, to work the wood....’‘

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/



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lew

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#1 posted 2109 days ago

Thanks for the beautiful “water art” and the truth about shellac.

I must admit I always thought that water would cause shellac to turn white.

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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kolwdwrkr

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#2 posted 2109 days ago

maybe it’s the quality of water? SoCal acid rain may tell a different story. The tap water may too. I’d like to think that all water was the same everywhere but….........I believe that I will give this a test too ;-)

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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trifern

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#3 posted 2109 days ago

Now that’s my kind of “Mythbusters.” Thanks for the post Frank. I look forward to your next.

Beautiful photography as well.

-- My favorite piece is my last one, my best piece is my next one.

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Karson

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#4 posted 2109 days ago

What about a hot cup of coffee on top of that shellac?

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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frank

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#5 posted 2108 days ago

—hello Lew; ....and thanks for the comment on ’the beautiful water art’. As to the truth about shellac….well there still remains much ground to cover, even with water. And I will add that water can turn shellac ‘white’ or ‘milky’ in appearance, but the circumstances need to be known and understood that will lead to that ‘appearance’.

What I will also be talking about is ’how to’ repair and fix the different situations that come along when working with shellac. This story is first of all dispelling the common notion//comment made by many that water and shellac don’t mix//make for good wood finishing….and therefore shellac is not a good wood finish to use for protection of wood.

What I am showing here by words and pictures is that in truth….’water and shellac’ don’t mix well and therefore shellac is a good finish to use when protecting wood. But then there is much yet to talk about in this area of wood and shellac and I will be covering more of these areas in the days and weeks ahead, plus some of the also how to’s of repairing a damaged shellac wood finish. Much yet to come so stay tuned….

—hello Kolwdwrkr; ....great to hear your thoughts on ‘water’, which just goes to show that I’ve got your water wheels of the mind turning out wood thoughts on this subject….

—hi Trifern; ....glad to see that I seem to have made an impression on your mind with my ’Beautiful photography’, so now you’ve raised my bar level. And since you’re looking forward to my ‘next’ I had better start getting some new props ready and going for all those ‘shellac tests’ ahead. Hmmm…..I was just thinking that the time all-ready put into the ‘water’ test is all-most 2 weeks now. That includes the application of shellac (5 coats of fresh 3 lb. cut), some cure up time, and then comes the rain water….which leads me to the conclusion that it’s hard work being a buster-of-myths….

—hi Karson; great to see you stopping by and commenting. Now lets see….’what comes next’ as to you’re question regarding; ”What about a hot cup of coffee on top of that shellac?

At this point I’m going to delay answering your question, since this is a question that would take us away from where we are now in this scenario of water and shellac. You may have noticed and I’m sure you read where I stated in the story above that; ”I do know there are many who have stated about how water will damage a finish of shellac….and there are some situations where this is true, but then I also know from experience (by doing + action of work) that shellac will stand up to water and that is except for those exceptions to the rules of wood finish.” What I am referring to is where I stated; ”....shellac will stand up to water and that is except for those exceptions to the rules of wood finish.” and so yes I will be addressing this question and many more as we proceed along in the understanding of wood and shellac. On further point I will point out is you mention the word ‘heat//hot’, which also leads into an-other working scenario of shellac and one that I will yet be addressing in future stories.

As I noted in a past blog//story, I am pulling out all the stops that I can think of to write this article on shellac and so that also means that I will be intentionally damaging some ‘wood shellac finishes’ or at least trying too. This means that I will also have to take the time to gather photos of these tests to come, plus writing up the words. This will amount to spending some time in the coming weeks//month//months gathering information to produce a story. What I am writing and showing by pictures is all free to any who want to come//follow along….all-though to tell you the truth, once this photo blog with plenty of how to’s is done, I may just delete the whole story and re-edit to use in a teaching article//book//seminar.

Now if I may add; ”where did I leave my cup of hot tea at ? ”....

Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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Karson

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#6 posted 2108 days ago

Thanks for your experiences and experiments Frank. You are a blessing to this site.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#7 posted 2108 days ago

You must have some pretty clean rain were you live. Sometimes after we’ve had rain, I’ll go out to my car in the morning, & the windshield has a coat of gray dust on it. You don’t have any mine tailing ponds, or iron ore taconite plants in your area.

The best finish in the world won’t stand up were I live.

PS: I can’t just blame all of the dirt on the mines, because sometime its black,
coming from ND farm topsoil, that has traveled over 300 miles to get here.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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frank

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#8 posted 2107 days ago

—thanks for those words Karson….

—hi Dick; ....’clean rain ’....and I’m glad to see you checking in here also. I guess I never thought of it that way, but yes this a clean country so to speak….we still drink from the streams around here in the winter (although I don’t//won’t go as far as to make this a blanket statement for all folks to try) and our rivers and lakes still are blue water with a mercury content. Now I’m wondering after just writing about mercury content, why am I still drinking the water? Some folks up here, even go as far as to call this place Gods country//the land of the gods. However….we still have to deal with the effects of acid rain even here, although some ‘experts’ are saying that NH is in the process of reversing acid rain and it’s effects on the environment.

I am now curious, (yes you have sparked my attention) since you made the statement; ”The best finish in the world won’t stand up were I live.” And so I have two questions for you:

1.) What is the ‘best finish’ in the world?

2.) And since you have tried that ‘best finish’, what were the results that made you come to the conclusion that it would not ‘stand up where I (you) live’ ?

Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#9 posted 2105 days ago

Sorry for taking so long to answer Frank. This place is busy.

Speaking of Mercury, The state doesn’t recommend eating too many meals of our fish.

Here’s what I heard about Mercury from my neighbor. He has a friend who’s a full time fishing guide,

& the government tested the blood of all of the guides in this area, & they found very small traces of Mercury

in their systems.

This mystified the researchers, because the guides eat fish everyday. What do you think of that?

I haven’t seen any reports on this survey yet, but I may have missed it.

As for exterior finishes, I can’t tell you. it’s every man for himself I guess.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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frank

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#10 posted 2104 days ago

Hello Dick;
—same here with the mercury and not eating a lot of fish. But then that doesn’t bother me since I don’t eat meat in any form….and that includes fish. Being a vegetarian as I am, means eating a lot of tofu….and I’ve got ways of cooking it so that folks never even know their eating soybeans.

I kind-of assumed that some here may be thinking that these tests are about ‘exterior finishes’ from some of the replies on this thread//story. In reality no-thing could be further//farther from the truth! Thats why it would do well for any reading to understand that this is a ‘series’ on wood finishing and since I am dealing with shellac….I’m talking//writing about ’interior finishes’.

Now one may wonder why if I am writing on interior finishes, then why is this story at the moment taking place outside in an exterior setting? To that I would reply, that I am at this moment trying to show how shellac will stand up to water….and what better way to test the shellac then to do the testing in an out-side environment. In this series, and this one makes number 8 (#8) I have all-ready stated a few times that I am pulling out all stops in my testing, in order to stretch the limits, (push the envelope) so to speak….that I might show the outer limits of shellac and how it will stand up beyond the common quoted//stated opinions of many who have really never even tried to make shellac fail. Yes, thats right and you heard me correctly….”to make shellac fail”.

In my many years of working with wood finishes, I have pushed the limits of many different wood finishes and so by doing this, I now know what works best in many various scenarios. Granted not many will do this, but then not many workers of wood find the aspect of wood prep and wood finishes as intriguing as I do. I will be doing some more on this slab of wood in an out-side environment….and then I will also be getting back to some other test pieces, which will also be done in an interior environment. Like how does taking a cup of hot coffee and setting it on a shellac finish sound or what happens when one pours the hot coffee onto the top of finished shellac….and then just walks away? What about tipping a can of beer over onto a finished shellac top and again just walking away. Sure….many may know these answers, but have any tried doing this intentionally to destroy the shellac finish….and then if this happens, how does one go about repairing the shellac finish?

Well it’s been nice thinking out loud here….and as one can see, this is no-short story//blog, but one that will have some elements of ‘time’ written in as well. Oh well, kind-of like a wood finish, no-short cuts….but then, if it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing right and knowing the why of how you did it….

Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#11 posted 2103 days ago

Hi Frank,

Lake States Forest Experiment Station has done a lot of research on wood finishing.

I looked them up, & found this=, it may be of interest to you.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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