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New Shop #1: Sketchup of Shop Layout

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Blog entry by Devin posted 2013 days ago 9499 reads 1 time favorited 16 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Hi everyone, well, after almost 4 years of continuously fine tuning my crawlspace shop, with no access larger than 30ish inches, I’m moving into a home with a basement. You know what this means, more room for my shop! I’m going from roughly 90 square feet (seriously, it’s that small), some of which is well under 6 feet tall (I’m 6’1”) to somewhere in the area of 240 square feet. Next stop, two car garage…but lets not get ahead of ourselves. For this blog, I’m filling a shop that is roughly 240 sq feet. AND I even have a full size stairwell and door to access it! Truly amazing ;).

So I’ve spent a few hours in sketchup, working on the layout. I was able to find existing models for most of my tools, as well, there is the recent workbench from pop woodworking (there’s my first project in the new shop) and a nice tool cabinet.

What do you guys think of the use of space? The tablesaw, jointer, planer(in the green swivel top cart/outfeed table), bandsaw and drill press will all be on wheels (as they are now in my crawlspace). But I want to move them as little as possible. The shopvac under the miter saw table will be hooked up for dust control to blast gates at most major machines.
Have I overlooked anything?
You think things should be laid out differently?
I really appreciate any and all feedback.
And no, I don’t actually have that many Bessey clamps…but maybe if I build it they will come :).

here’s a link to the sketchup file if you want to download it and check it out in full 3D goodness. http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=64a4b69fb2055e0034e052ab3a0e8988

Oh, and if any of you sketchup gurus can tell me how to get the file size of this model to be smaller, that would be great. I’ve removed all image “materials” from the model and used components instead of groups in most cases where an item is used repeatedly, and I’ve purged all unused layers and components but I’m still stuck with a 7 MB file.

From New Shop Layout

thanks for any advice, take care.

-- If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?



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pitchnsplinters

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#1 posted 2013 days ago

Nice detail. If I send you a sketch or two will you SU my shop? Great job. The real deal will be much more exciting.

-- Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven, it don't make 'em biscuits.

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Francisco Luna

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#2 posted 2013 days ago

wow….that’s a neat design! I had my shop EXACTLY distributed like your, the only thing is that I parked my truck over night where your mitter stand is, so mine was a removable Dewalt…...it works just fine, the light for the bench, enough room for long pieces at the table saw/jointer, nice Veritas Bevel up on the bench!

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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sharad

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#3 posted 2013 days ago

Congratulations, a very nicely laid out workshop. Wish I visit it once. Don’t forget to keep a firstaid box!
Sharad

-- “If someone feels that they had never made a mistake in their life, then it means they have never tried a new thing in their life”.-Albert Einstein

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PG_Zac

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#4 posted 2013 days ago

Devin, What version of SketchUp are you using? I had similar size problems when laying out my proposed shop, but I managed to reduce the file to less than 2MB.

I’ll look at yours, and see what I can do, but let me know the version so I can send it back to you.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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Devin

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#5 posted 2013 days ago

Thanks everyone,
bentlyj, thanks for the suggestions. I am hoping to keep the head of the lathe free for outboard turning, but your suggestion is definitely something I’ll play with when I get into the actual space. I had planned to tuck the B/S in the corner, on wheels, and pull it out whenever I needed it, but I much prefer you placement along the wall, making it ready to go right away for almost all cuts I would need to make.

PB_Zac, I’m using version 7 (the free one), if you uncover ways to reduce the size I’d love to hear about them, thanks.

Devin.

-- If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

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PG_Zac

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#6 posted 2012 days ago

Devin, DaveR is absolutely correct. The major size problem comes from the downloaded components.

I’ve been fiddling in your file, and have found precisely what DaveR refers to.
The pegboard is about 1.2 MB, the Arts & Crafts Tool Cabinet is about 1.1 MB, the Planer and Table Saw are each about 1/5 MB, etc. etc. etc.

You should go into each downloaded component and analyze it for efficiency of the file size. For example, the main work bench’s laminated top is made of multiple groups instead of a few components. The 4 legs are a confusing combination of components and nested components, instead of a single component flipped to suit the location. etc. I’ve dealt with this twin screw vice before, and it is waaaay to data-heavy – the screws are multiple nested components, the Handles are multiple groups instead of components etc.

One significant space saver I have found, is making holes into components. Just think, in one pegboard tile, you can create ONE component to replace 144 holes. I have done this on all the machines I downloaded, and saved a ton of file size. For many people, making objects into components is obvious, but making holes and voids into components doesn’t even get considered.

You could also save space on the handscrew clamps. Make a component out of a jaw and a screw, then flip them and move the new screw to a good position.

If I get a chance tonight, I’ll revise a few of your components and send them back to you. PM me your mail address if you don’t mind.

p.s. Even though he didn’t know it until now, I credit DaveR with a lot of my SketchUp ability – especially when it is on matters of file size. When I was having size issues, I Googled a lot looking for help, and Dave’s posts, blogs, and replies to others set me on the right path. Dave’s skill at explaining cleared my thinking better than any other resource I found on the net. Thanks Dave.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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Pie

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#7 posted 2012 days ago

Excellent layout with a few exceptions (but this is only my opinion).

1. Seems like you have lots of junk collectors (err I mean workbenches).

2. I don’t see many or any cabinets, drawers or places to hide stuff.

Very nice layout and sketchup. I should do that for my shop as well but it is only 13×15 or something like that. Still I will do it so I can learn SU.

NIce shop!

-- Pie

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goggy

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#8 posted 2012 days ago

Nice layout! I too have a basement shop and my layout is in its infancy. Consider an air filtration system! Also I’ve been eyeballing the PW workbench design also. Looks great!

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Devin

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#9 posted 2012 days ago

PG and Dave, thank you both, I’ll definitely open up those downloaded components and see if I can reduce their complexity. I had read about the “group vs components” savings and the “images used for materials” and I thought I had stripped that down as much as I could. Sounds like I have to examine the components in more detail.

Pie, thanks for the feedback, I have the one large workbench (still have to build it) and the big long table/bench along the wall is really just for the chop saw support, it may end up being much less than I’ve drawn in order to make better use of the space. I haven’t drawn them in, but I imagine there will be many drawers added, and I still have a couple empty spots on walls where I could put some more cabinets. thanks again, I appreciate the tips.

goggy, thanks, I actually do have a General Air filter that I will be hanging right above the table saw (I didn’t add it to model though.

What a great community!
thanks everyone!

-- If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

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PG_Zac

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#10 posted 2012 days ago

Devin, I fiddled a bit last night, and managed to reduce the file from 7.4 MB to 6.1 MB (17% reduction). I got most of this saving from the pegboard and workbench. I expect there won’t be more than another 10-15% saving available without extensive time input.

The biggest single saving I made was to replace each pegboard tile with 144 mini-tile components. Make a component 1” square with a 1/4” hole in the center, and duplicate it 11 times across and down to make a 12” square tile. Instant diet!!!

Have fun

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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Devin

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#11 posted 2012 days ago

Hey PG, that’s great advice, thank you. You’re absolutely right that I hadn’t even considered repeating voids as components. Makes sense. How were you able to see the individual component memory footprints? I am able to see the whole project size but haven’t found a component size breakdown.

thanks again.

-- If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

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PG_Zac

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#12 posted 2012 days ago

Devin, you’re welcome.
Unfortunately I don’t have or know of any easy way to check the KB footprint of anything within a model. I “make-do” by saving the file then deleting all the unwanted items, purging the model, and saving under a new name.

Low-tech, I know, but it works.

BTW, I have a plug-in that applies X-Ray view to any item you select, so it’s easy to have transparent walls (or anything else) without setting a transparent material for the wall. I think it’s kinda cool, and looking at your model, I think you’ll appreciate it as well.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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JohnnyVee

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#13 posted 1942 days ago

Hey Devin

Anything new on the new shop? Have you already gotten into the new place?

-- John ..."Measure twice, cut once and always do a finger count right after that..."

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JohnnyVee

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#14 posted 1910 days ago

Devin

Any news on the new shop?

-- John ..."Measure twice, cut once and always do a finger count right after that..."

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stefang

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#15 posted 1910 days ago

Devin, your shop plan looks real good, but it looks to me like you might have some outfeed problems with your bandsaw and drillpress. I have a small shop too, about 200sq ft. and it’s really hard to sweep the floor around machines. I have mounted just about everything on wheels to facilitate cleaning and flexibility, even my drill press. Thought your sketchup plans were great. Hope you enjoy the real thing when it’s finished.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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