Old Sargent Planes #9: No its not a Sargent 5409, but the other one?

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Blog entry by Don W posted 09-02-2014 10:57 PM 1726 reads 0 times favorited 5 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I’ve got a very strict rule about computers. After the 2nd cocktail, I don’t return work emails and I don’t buy on ebay. But, who follows rules after the 2nd cocktail?

Apparently not me. The work rule is easy. Who wants to work once the fun starts. So I made this impulse purchase. Its 2 planes. I thought one was a Sargent #5409. It was all there, the thin casting, the steel insert in the adjustment knob, the twisted lateral and a corrugated bottom.

The problem!

The problem was the corrugated bottom was on the “other plane”.

A little bummed but I still had a decent type 3 Sargent 409. It’s got an American Beauty cutter, so I know that’s not original. I need to find out about the American Beauty part, but Sargent didn’t make a cutter back then with the round hole at the bottom of the cutter.

The other surprise was I was sure the other plane was a Defiance. But it had a corrugated sole and I didn’t think the Defiance came corrugated. Well come to find out, in 1939 (yep for 1 year) Defiance made a corrugated. Since the #1204 Defiance was made from 1932-1953, and the #1204C was only made in 1939 I’m going to assume it fairly rare.

But here is the Sargent type 3 #409 anyhow. Look for the Defiance in days to come.

If you know ANYTHING about the “American Beauty” Iron, I’d love to here from you. I know there is an American Beauty company in business today, I just don’t know if it’s the same, and they don’t do planes anymore.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

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#1 posted 09-02-2014 11:43 PM

That’s a sharp smoother, Don! Sorry, never heard of the iron…

I got one on a block named ‘Best Maid’...LOL.

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#2 posted 09-03-2014 01:22 AM

Never heard of “American Beauty” and I have seen a fair amount of planes. Are you planing a post for the defiance?

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#3 posted 09-03-2014 01:42 AM

Never heard of “American Beauty” and I have seen a fair amount of planes. Are you planing a post for the defiance?

- Deycart

I’ll post it once it’s cleaned up

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

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#4 posted 09-03-2014 05:30 AM

Don makes some rusties into beauties..

-- "....put that handsaw to work and make it earn its keep. - summerfi" <==< JuStiN >==>=->

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#5 posted 09-08-2014 09:33 PM

Not a bad second cocktail purchase; not nearly as costly as could have been managed.

Wish I could help with information on the iron.

Thanks Don.

-- ~Tony

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