Old Sargent Planes #1: The type 1 #409 Pre lateral

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Blog entry by Don W posted 08-23-2013 03:02 PM 2732 reads 1 time favorited 11 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I picked up a type 1 #409. I thought it was a Stanley when I first picked it up because it had a Stanley Iron of the correct vintage. A quickly noticed some markings behind the frog that shouldn’t be there. A little rubbing and a number 409 immerged. At that point I knew the plane was coming home with me.

The day before I bought this plane I was fishing through a tool box and came across an old 2” Sargent iron. I thought, I may need that someday, so I asked the guy what he wanted for it. He said $5. I said I was thinking more like $3. No go so I headed back to throw the iron back in the box when he said, I’ll give you the whole box for $8. Sold. The box has at least 10 nice file handles, a broken distton but brass nuts, files and other goodies. The iron is a type 2, but it will fit nicely on this type one plane until I stumble across a true type 1.

What luck to buy a type 1 Sargent with a Stanley iron when I just bought the Sargent iron the day before!

The type information came from 2 locations basically, Dave Heckel’s guide, and HMike's Blog.

Type 1 is 1887-1901

So here it is, with some notes about the type as I understand it.

Note the round headed screws.

The japanning is close to 100%. Other than the chip in the tote, this plane is in excellent condition.

According to the type information, the type 1 lever caps had a period along with the numbers. Types 1, 2 and 3 have the number plus a dot cast into the lever cap. Type 2 may have just number. Is it possible this got changes, or is it possible that some of the type 1’s made it out without the dot as well?

And after the clean up

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

11 comments so far

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#1 posted 08-23-2013 03:06 PM

I have a type 1 407 – they work really nice. Good catch.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#2 posted 08-23-2013 03:07 PM

Beautiful plane. Are you planning to try to repair the horn or leave as is?

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Don W

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#3 posted 08-23-2013 03:10 PM

I think I’m going to leave it Wayne.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

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#4 posted 08-23-2013 03:12 PM

Great luck Don, nice score.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#5 posted 08-23-2013 03:15 PM

Youuuuu suck.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#6 posted 08-23-2013 03:48 PM

a beautiful restoration don, i can really see how aquiring these would become a sought out hobby and the use of them when needed, thanks for showing these beautiful tools…

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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#7 posted 08-23-2013 04:55 PM

I am green with envy Don! That is for sure. That is a fantastic find!

BTW, I missed/lost a bid for a Type1 408 on fleaBay a few months back, but still think about it. Got out bid at $75.


-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Don W

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#8 posted 08-23-2013 05:26 PM

So you’re saying $10 was a good deal? {I’m still smiling }

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

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#9 posted 08-23-2013 06:28 PM

$10? There’s a giant hoover sound coming from your way. The japanning on that is amazing too, what a find.

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#10 posted 08-24-2013 03:21 AM

Very nice Don, congrats. You have the touch.

-- ~Tony

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#11 posted 08-24-2013 08:00 PM

Beautiful plane and nicely restored.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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