Just some planes restored #21: Yes, the Pre-lateral may need some extra love.

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Blog entry by Don W posted 07-09-2013 12:14 AM 2323 reads 0 times favorited 27 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Its been a while since I’ve written a restoration blog, so I figured I’d document this possible save. I’ve started finding a few pre-laterals and kind of like them. My “collector” status has risen to a new level so I don’t mind working on something that will be for history’s sake only.

I found this #5 in an antique shop. It wasn’t marked and I had a few other items so I asked the owner what he wanted. The conversation went something like this.

Me: What would you want for this fine specimen?
Dealer: oh, $10
Me: its in pretty rough shape, can I make you an offer?
Dealer: Sure, but I want $10 for it.
Me: Well, I’d be willing to go $5.
Dealer: No, I think its worth $10
Me: Well, I’ll set it back then, I’m not even sure I can get it apart, say nothing about actually salvaging any of it.
Me: headed back to the shelf.
Dealer: Oh, ok, since your buying this other stuff, I guess I’ll let it go for $5.

Now I really was ready to put it back. Its probably in worse shape than anything I’ve tried to restore. But its a prelateral. I haven’t taken the time to type it yet, but I’m thinking its a type 4.

So when I got home I had enough time to take a look at it. Its going to be a challenge, but it came apart easier than anticipated.

I soaked the cap with penetrating oil spray and pried it gently off. Oddly enough the lever cap screw into the frog turned right off, just a little more than finger tight.

I scratched out the frog screw slots with a variety of sharp points, got the largest screw driver that would fit and gave it a couple good “hard love” taps. With all my weight down on the screw driver, the screws actually popped and loosened and turn out.

A few love taps on the frog with the wood mallet, and here’s the results.

A bit of wire brushing and it looks like I can salvage everything except the washers. The iron will probably not sharpen up (but maybe), but it has the original type 3-5 logo. The chip breaker is a big question, it is pitted the worst, but I may have another with the same logo.

The base will have some pitting. It won’t be a clean, shiny, off the show room floor model. It will look like its a 200 year old miss used hand plane, but it will look like a Stanley Type 4 pre-lateral. It will be respectable in its own right.

I think the lever cap will come out clean. No pitting at all.

All brass will shine up like new.

Its all soaking in evapo-rust. My worry is the evapo-rust batch seems to have lost its luster, but I have some citric acid on its way, so it should be here by the time I have time to get back at it.

I also bought a $5 #5, with nothing from the mouth forward, but the tote was perfect. From the same dealer no less. Kismet no?

I think I can save the knob. Its got a few chips, but all around the original bead. I’m hoping I can sand it down and re-bead it.

More to come as it goes, and thanks for coming along.

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#1 posted 07-09-2013 12:38 AM

I’m sure you’ll give it your best shot! Anxious to see “The Rest of the Syory”.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343

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#2 posted 07-09-2013 01:02 AM

Wonder when the last time it was successfully used was?

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#3 posted 07-09-2013 04:27 AM

This will be fun to watch.

-- "It's only wood. Use it." - Smitty || Instagram - out_of_focus1.618

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#4 posted 07-09-2013 07:45 AM

Oh come on! We all know you have already infilled that thing and are just stringing us along!

This looks interesting. Definitely watching!

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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#5 posted 07-09-2013 07:53 AM

You got your work cut out there Don, but if anyone can, I guess you’re the man.

Good luck.


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Don Butler

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#6 posted 07-09-2013 11:37 AM

Pardon my “plane” ignorance, but what does the term “prelaterial” mean?


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#7 posted 07-09-2013 12:22 PM

Shane’s question is intriguing. She’s been rode hard, but when was the last wood tasting?

Thanks for the pics, Don!

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#8 posted 07-09-2013 01:17 PM

ddwwb Prior to type 5, the planes didn’t have a lateral adjustment levers.

Edit: and spelling corrected.

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#9 posted 07-09-2013 01:20 PM

Thanks Don. Excited to see the results.

-- ~Tony

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#10 posted 07-09-2013 01:41 PM

Seems I’m not the only one with a knack for finding the ugliest tool in the store. It’ll take a LOT of love to get it going but I can’t wait to see the results.

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#11 posted 07-09-2013 02:21 PM

A true labor of love. Very much looking forward to seeing her progress!

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#12 posted 07-09-2013 04:55 PM

Well that plane fell into the right hands, thats for sure! Cant wait to see how it turns out!

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#13 posted 07-09-2013 06:30 PM

It’ll be fun to see how it turns out. Staying tuned in.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#14 posted 07-13-2013 12:35 AM

I believe this will be as good as it gets.

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#15 posted 07-13-2013 12:37 AM

She’s a beaut.

-- ~Tony

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