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I started a document on one of my computers for notes I keep on plane information. My issue is I have several work laptops, a few personal laptops and travel a lot so keeping the notes in one place is a challenge. I figured this way, I could get to them from anywhere, including my windows 7 phone when looking at buying a plane, and maybe others would find the information useful as well. I’ll try to break up the information into logical units as separate blogs in this series.

As always, comments, additional and questions welcome.

Some General Stanley timeline information.

Plastic Nut http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/typology.html Type 17 l942-5 Wartime. Adj. nut is steel or plastic.

Kidney shaped hole in lever caps introduced in 1933

Adjustment frog screw started in 1910. Stopped on some during WWII.

Plane Iron Sizes
Plane — Iron Width
No. 1 — 1 1/4”
No. 2 — 1 5/8”
No. 3 — 1 3/4”
No. 5 1/4” — 1 3/4”
No. 4 — 2”
No. 4 1/2 — 2 1/4”
No. 5 — 2”
No. 5 1/2 — 2 1/4”
No. 6 — 2 3/8”
No. 7 — 2 3/8”
No. 8 — 2 5/8”

Overall Plane Sizes (measured off my set. Slight differences may occur according to type)
Plane — Length – Width
No. 1 —
No. 2 — 7 5/8” x 1 15/16”
No. 3 — 8 3/4” x 2 1/8”
No. 5 1/4” — 11 7/16” x 2 1/8”
No. 4 — 9 3/8” x 2 3/8”
No. 4 1/2 — 10 15/16” x 2 13/16”
No. 5 — 14” x 2 7/16”
No. 5 1/2 — 15 1/8” x 3”
No. 6 — 17 11/16” x 2 7/8”
No. 7 — 21 15/16” x 2 7/8”
No. 8 — 23 7/8” x 3 1/8”

What a B or S means when cast in the bed?

Thread sizes
Stanley used 12-20 threads for the tote and knob rods. The screw at the front of the tote and the frog screws are also of this

Thread size and pitch.

The rod diameter is 7/32 with a 20 tpi thread. A 1/4” rod diameter is usually associated with 20 tpi (1/4-20) and a 7/32 rod.

When Record went into plane production in the early 1930s they copied Stanley planes of the period, right down to the threads.

Here are the sizes from Recordcollector’s site:
http://www.recordhandplanes.com/parts-and-sizes.html

Cap Iron screw : 5/16” 18tpi BSW (I believe this is the only standard BSW thread on benchplanes)
Frog screws : 7/32” 20tpi Whitworth;
Tote & Knob bolts : 7/32” 20tpi Whitworth;
Tote Toe screw : 7/32” 20tpi Whitworth;
Frog Adjusting Plate screw : 7/32” 24tpi Whitworth;
Frog Adjusting screw : 1/4” 24tpi American/Unified;
Brass Adjusting nut : 9/32” 24tpi American/Unified (left-hand thread);
Lever Cap screw : 9/32” 24tpi American/Unified.

If your trying to decifer Stanley thread sizes you need these 2 pdf’s

http://www.tttg.org.au/Content/Stanley%20Planes%20and%20Screw%20Threads%20-%20Part%201.pdf

http://www.tttg.org.au/Content/Stanley%20Planes%20and%20Screw%20Threads%20-%20Part%202.pdf

You can buy a tap and dye set here, http://stjamesbaytoolco.com/ look for 12/20 Tap And Die Set $35.00.

I had a question about weights of different type planes, so I weighed a few I had. I thought it would be interesting. Here is what I found. The are all Bailey #4’s of different vintages.
type weight
17 3pds 6.4 ozs
13 3pds 7.2 ozs
15 3pds 5.2 ozs
11 3pds 5.2ozs
11 3pds 9.2ozs
10 3pds 7.2 ozs
6 3pds 4.4 ozs
4 3pds 5.8ozs
4 3pds 5.2ozs

If there are 2 of the same type, it just means I had 2 handy.

And if you don’t see it here, Check out WayneC's blog as well.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)



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Bertha

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#1 posted 1030 days ago

DW, do you own a 60 1/2? I bought 4 just to part one together. I really like this plane.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 1030 days ago

I don’t own a 60 1/2. Send me your extra parts? I have a 61 (no adjustable month). Bought it in a lot.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

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#3 posted 1030 days ago

60 1/2 are great little planes…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Mark Shymanski

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#4 posted 1026 days ago

You may want to try something like Google sites to store your lists and other data in the “cloud”. I’ve used it a couple of times and it is pretty cool.

-- "Checking for square? What madness is this! The cabinet is square because I will it to be so!" Jeremy Greiner LJ Topic#20953 2011 Feb 2

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Bertha

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#5 posted 898 days ago

Don, I think you’d find that my spare 60 1/2 parts wouldn’t be much good to you. Even my Frankenstein has a non-sanctioned depth knob; looks like a drill bit stop or something;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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Don W

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#6 posted 898 days ago

Al, I now have a nice 60 1/2. I bought at an antique store some time ago. I also have another that has some serious mouth damage and is missing the front knob if any of the other parts would get you a functional plane, let me know.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

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