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Hollow spiral turnings

Blog entry by Don "Dances with Wood" Butler posted 51 days ago 321 reads 2 times favorited 10 comments Add to Favorites Watch

A while back I showed a small sample of how the Legacy Ornamental Mill works with a small spiral cane.
Turning those little things is a pure pleasure and I do it often.

But sometimes the demand is for a large spiral column.
This mill, model 1500EX is a long bed machine, signified by the EX in the model number. So I made the columns outside the front entry to our house/knit shop.

But there is an inherent problem with large, solid columns.
They split.
No matter what material is used (plastic excepted), it splits.
The process goes this way:
As the outer parts of the column dry out they contract.
Not much, but it doesn’t take much.
The inner core doesn’t contract at the same rate.
So the outer layers are now too small to cover the inner, unshrunken core.
Result?
Cracks.
Just look at the logs in a log house. Most of them split.

Most commercial columns are hollow, preventing the problem.

My columns are hollow, too.

Here’s how I do it.

I accentuated the lines showing the birdsmouth cuts that join the pieces in a six sided hollow form

Blocks are fitted to the column to fasten it in the mill. Then the form is milled round, first, and then the detail is milled in.

Here’s a short practice piece that didn’t have the birdsmouth joints, but does show the spiral forms.

The actual columns were finished outside with good primer and exterior gloss enamel. Then I filled the inside with foam to prevent moisture and insects from coming in.

Best regards,

d

-- If a man says something in the forest and there's no woman to hear it, is he still wrong?


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papadan

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posted 51 days ago

Good information Don, you got my porch columns done yet? LOL

-- Dan-- Info for all @ http://www.hoistman.com

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a1Jim

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posted 51 days ago

Interesting blog

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop, custom furniture ,maker, woodworking school, heirloomwoodshop.com

posted 51 days ago

Dan,

I don’t recall that order. When did you send it?
LOL

d

-- If a man says something in the forest and there's no woman to hear it, is he still wrong?

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Mark Shymanski

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posted 51 days ago

Very interesting, thank you.

-- ...it's rennovation time!!!

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Loucarb

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posted 51 days ago

Thanks for sharing that is very interesting.

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DAN

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posted 51 days ago

Good one Don! that mill sounds like a cool toy…

-- work from your heart and your spirit will live forever

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DaveR

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posted 51 days ago

Good work, Don.

The birdsmouth method is an excellent one for making hollow turnings. In addition to the benefits you mention as far as checking and cracking, a hollow column can be nearly as strong as a solid one. The birdsmouth method makes it very easy to create tapered columns and you don’t have to make them round, either. There’s a fellow out east someplace who makes looms for oars and shafts for canoe paddles using the birdsmouth technique. He makes oval-sectioned shafts so you have a better grip when paddling.

I turned a couple of birdsmouth spars when I had my Legacy. I had to modify the machine to handle the length but I got the job done. Very light and stiff when they got finished.

Someplace I have an Excel-based calculator for designing them.

-- Until you spread your wings, you'll have no idea how far you can walk.

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cabinetmaster

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posted 51 days ago

Wow. Just when I need to do a 9” X 52” hollow column, someone makes a post. I like that Idea. It sure would save on a major glue-up. Plus I have to split it to go around a 4 X 4 post. I hope you don’t mind me using this idea.

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

posted 51 days ago

Not at all.
Please do.

-- If a man says something in the forest and there's no woman to hear it, is he still wrong?

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DaveR

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posted 51 days ago

Jerry, I’m sure you can see that when you glue up the column, you omit the glue in the birdsmoths 180° apart and the column can be split. You’ll have a good time with this.

-- Until you spread your wings, you'll have no idea how far you can walk.

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