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Been banging on this in Sketchup, but I am coming up with nothing… Here’s my problem, maybe the good folks at LJs can help me figure this out…

I have a canoe, 14’ 6” from bow to stern. It presently lives covered up under a tarp across 2 sawhorses. UV is getting to the tarp, and I do NOT want it getting to the hull of my plastic boat…

So what to do?

I have pondered this before, and I am going to again to see if I can get some ideas here… So here is my problem…

I need to store an object, that given SOME reasonable space on each end, will take up 15’ of length, is 37” wide, and while specs don’t show clearly, I would suspect from the keel to the tip of the bow / stern it has maybe 36 – 38” rocker. Now all I want to do is keep the UV off of it, and the critters out of it. Off the ground so the dog doesn’t use it as a urinal would be good too…

It needs to be somewhat secure, but not Ft. Knox… A heavy duty bicycle cable lock and an eyelet would be good enough to lock it down. A determined thief would have no qualms smashing in a shed, I just need to stop the opportunity thieves…

My thoughts are a simple pole shed-ish thing. using the fence posts as supports…

I am honestly fishing for ideas really bad right now. I am pulling a brain blank…

Any ideas guys? I am limited on space, and funds. let’s see what we can come up with!

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com



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David Kirtley

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#1 posted 882 days ago

Hoist it up to the ceiling/rafters. Upside down to keep it from being a cool nesting space.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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dbhost

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#2 posted 882 days ago

Ceiling / rafters where?

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Raspar

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#3 posted 882 days ago

The previous owner built a lean to against the garage. He built a front with a door and back, fence on lot line was about 4ft away and he added tin roof between the garage and fence. I have my big ladders out there is enough to keep them dry and covered.

Just a thought.

-- Have thy tools ready. God will find thee work.

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Jim Bertelson

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#4 posted 882 days ago

We talked about this one before. Obviously a sticky problem for you. Nothing new here.

When doing something like this, sometimes a walk through HD or Lowe’s looking at all construction materials will give you an idea. Perhaps a couple of 6” square posts placed in the ground roughly 11 feet apart, with a 3 or 4 foot wide post fixed horizontally on each of them to set the canoe on, and to chain the canoe to. Two chains needed. Or, you could attach them to thwarts, but I like the idea of around the whole canoe as a hold down in case of high winds. If they are nearer the ends, the canoe couldn’t be slid out from under them. Then any kind of cover you want, from a tarp, to something made from metal or wood. The two T posts would get it off the ground, and a tarp would keep things out. Put on the tarp before putting on the chains. That’s as cheap as I can think of, and it would protect from weather and vandals, to a point.

The cover could be mutated over time, but the posts, chains, and tarp would be a quick, cheap fix for the moment.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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dbhost

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#5 posted 881 days ago

Yes, we have gone down this path before. I settled on sawhorses and a tarp, but the Poly tarp does not like long term exposure to UV, kind of like the hull to the canoe…

What prompted this whole thing is I ripped the tarp when putting the boat back up last weekend… I took it for a paddle down the bayou, did some fishing, no gators this time thankfully… But there is a reason the Mossberg rides, ahem… shotgun with me on the bayou…

I have been having some ideas , the big technical issue I am stumped with is how to deal with that 16’ span without having support columns in the way…

If it weren’t for the span, I would say a simple box, with a peaked roof and an open side that I could just use a canvas tarp as s door would suffice…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Jim Bertelson

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#6 posted 881 days ago

If you want a structure, build it like a clamshell. If you keep the top light you should be OK. Then it could be lift off or hinged. I had a greenhouse that was built with barn shaped trusses. They were 2×4’s with plywood at each joint front and back, glued and screwed. Built the trusses on the garage floor. One of the only times I actually used a set of plans. I would make a series of prebuilt trusses using much lighter construction, since the width is only 3 feet and there is no snow load. Use thin reinforced plywood or some such for the rest of the structure. Here is the time to walk through HD or Lowe’s and see what is available. Some stuff is listed as UV resistant, such as fiberglass…........

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Sarit

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#7 posted 881 days ago

I think your biggest issue is figuring out how you want to get the boat in and out. If you have some sort of wheeled carriage then you can put doors on the gable ends. If you need to lift it onto racks inside the shed, you’ll either need to make it more than double wide so that you have room to put the boat onto the racks once you’re inside the shed. If you need to keep the shed narrow, then perhaps the whole side wall becomes a tilt up door which doubles as an awning when you load/unload.

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David Kirtley

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#8 posted 880 days ago

Well, I was going to say the ceiling of the shop but then I remembered the pics of all the free space you have there :)

Ok, depends on how secure you are in yard, but another option is up under a soffit

Then we get to the one I though of tonight:

Make an outdoor seating area that just happens to be long enough to house the canoe under the seat. It could be with a table in the end like the old time twin beds that they had in hotels where one rolled up under the corner table. Too big for the causal thieves to haul off and more secure. A lot prettier too.

Another idea would be to make it a feature. Make a really long doghouse and put up a sign advertising the world’s largest dachshund…

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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dbhost

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#9 posted 879 days ago

Ah, I got it… Yeah, it is sort of my intent to keep the boat out of the shop if I can. My ceilings aren’t all that high, and the only space open enough to hang the boat I used to hang the air filter for the shop…

I am seriously considering a more traditional marine approach. I have been reviewing designs for boat covers. Basically a wooden skeleton with a canvas duck skin…

All I really need to provide with the cover is just that, cover. The boat needs to be protected from UV when not in use. Honestly the cheapest way is to simply just go grab another inexpensive poly tarp.

The way I consider it, if I blow through a tarp every 2 to 3 years,I would be fine… That SHOULD buy me the time to put up the 12×16 shed in the back yard, and tack on the lean to roof to cover the canoe like I originally wanted to. Not to mention, it keeps me open to do other projects, like figure out where my wall scraper for peeling wallpaper walked off to like I should be doing right now…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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dbhost

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#10 posted 874 days ago

Okay, I spent a little bit of quality time out there, with duct tape to patch up the existing tarp. No joke… Hey it’ll block UV until I can get out to get a new tarp!

I have been talking with one of my neighbors that I occasionally paddle past in the Bayou… He’s got a shed, the size I want actually, with a lean-to sort of roof off of one side and a simple canoe cradle that he uses to protect his boat when he’s not paddling…

I know Kayaks are easier to store, but I hate being upside down in the water where there’s Gators…

For now, we will just call it good…I have too many other projects going on to do this…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Jim Bertelson

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#11 posted 874 days ago

Good old Alaskan solution, duct tape. Remember the simple solution for getting it off of the ground, and just go with the tarp as you are now. You could go for 30 years replacing tarps occasionally for the price of canoe garage…...

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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dbhost

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#12 posted 873 days ago

If Im still paddling this boat in 30 years I will be known as the feeder on the Bayou…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Jim Bertelson

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#13 posted 873 days ago

All good things must come to an end…......(-:

Glad you got yourself a solution….......by the way, now back in Anchorage…....gadzooks, trying to get the house back in order….....

Tomorrow…...

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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