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Blog entry by dbhost posted 04-06-2010 08:04 PM 1020 reads 0 times favorited 15 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Martin posted up an interesting challenge today in his blog. The Nothing New But The Glue Challenge. And while I do plan on putting out a project from this challenge, well it got me to thinking. And I am not sure about other woodworkers, but I learned from my Dad, my Grandfather, my uncles etc… that what is being proposed here is a good thing.

Now the whole environmental impact thing aside, it just sort of makes sense to utilize everything you’ve got to the best of your ability. Maybe that’s just the cheapskate in me coming out, but I don’t think so. Part of why I do woodworking is because the so called “heirloom quality” furniture available these days is so much particle board that it isn’t even worth bringing into my home because I know it will be falling apart in less than 10 years…

So I am scratching my head to shake loose whatever projects I have done with “environmentally friendly” materials. So here goes the list so far…

Candlestick Holder. Made from Pecan firewood that was literally pulled from the fire when I saw something I liked in it…

Table saw extension wing / router table. The lumber is 3/4” SYP sanded ply that was scrap from a friend’s project. He was going to chunk it up and toss it in the fire pit. The hardboard is new.

Drill Press Table & Fence. 3/4” birch ply scrap from the workbench project. Hardboard scrap from the extension wing project. T track, and misc hardware are only new items.

Drill press accessory shelf. Small shelf brackets were in my garage when I bought the house, 3/4” ply scrap used for a shelf. Screws were recycled from a deck I removed with a friend a few years back.

Dovetail practice box. I never posted it here because it is kind of ugly, but hey, it was practice. More cedar. This time 5/8” cedar fence pickets reclaimed from Ike damage, some of it planed to 3/8” for the bottom.

Clamp racks. Cutoff sections of SYP 2×4 from a the neighbor’s trash, and 2×2 pulled from a custom built canoe rack that was on my old Ranger. No glue, just screws, and stain…

Shadow Box for wedding accessories. Red oak from discarded king size water bed frame. This is a project in progress.

Planter Box. 1 made of reclaimed cedar pickets, and new 4×4 cut down, 1 made of new cedar pickets and 4×4 cut down.

Kitty grave marker V2. Reclaimed 5/8” cedar pickets planed to 1/2”, in glue / clamps at this time, to create true 1×2” stock for cross project.

Dust Collector Riser Stand. Reclaimed PT 2×4s, stamped steel corner brackets, and 1/2” SYP ply from the attic redecking project.

Now none of this is exactly what I would call “Fine Woodworking”, but each project moves me further along the skill scale, and recycling materials makes it a LOT easier on my whimpering budget.

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com



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David Craig

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#1 posted 04-06-2010 08:22 PM

I am looking forward to the challenge as well. I have some pallet wood I have been breaking down and planing.

Some of your projects sound like mine. I use a lot of found and re-used wood. Shop Projects don’t have to look pretty, they just have to be practical and usable. And I would rather practice joinery on a cheap piece of pine then waste a good piece of walnut or cherry.

Good luck on the challenge and thanks for a good post,

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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AaronK

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#2 posted 04-06-2010 08:26 PM

Once you work on a “fine woodworking” project it’s amazing how quickly you can blast through more utility-type projects. I agree with you about that last line too – it’s good to try something new on these kinds of projects as a way to experiment cheaply. At the very least it’s a way to prevent boredom!

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canadianchips

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#3 posted 04-06-2010 08:39 PM

I like hearing that others are using re-cycled material . When I go to a yard sale or auction sale I see older items as ” Not what they are now” BUT “What they could be turned into”.
Any body can buy something already made, A CRAFTSMAN can build their own !
LJ’s continue “thinking”, continue “creating” and continue “sharing.”

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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Greg..the Cajun Wood Artist

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#4 posted 04-07-2010 02:41 AM

I try to use as much recycled lumber as I can…that stuff don’t grow on trees. I recently bought about 400 bd ft of recycled oak from a guy with a sawmill and solar kiln that recycled a lot of trees blown down during the big hurricane of 2005. Sure beats paying an overpriced lumberyard.
Alot of other stuff comes from recycled wood…good templates, router table, etc.

-- Each step of every Wood Art project I design and build is considered my masterpieceā€¦ because I want the finished product to reflect the quality and creativeness of my work

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Jim Bertelson

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#5 posted 04-07-2010 05:08 AM

dbhost..David and David Craig

Ok, this is not my arena. And hearing you two comparing dumpster diving styles makes me know I don’t have a chance.

Let me introduce you two guys. You two have way too much in common. First of all you are my buddies…........that makes you both kinda special….....at least in my eye. You are both techies…..even I have a little of that….and I suspect you would be spiritual buddies as well. You are both pragmatists to the extreme. You have both developed dumpster diving styles unparalleled on this planet, let alone LJ’s. Dumpster diving…....most likely that’s why you are my buddies….....(-:

OK guys, I have one measley shipping crate that is going to be used to control my miter arms while I route them. I ran into the hardest piece of oak ever. No clamps are were going to hold it. So I decided to make a jig, even though I bought what appears to be a little softer oak.

But, and this is an issue and I want your advice. I have some left over oak flooring, you know prefab stuff, but being phased out of the house. Is that used or is that new. I would use it for a totally different purpose. Would that count?

I think this is both a philosophical question, and a moral question. It is left over flooring…...you know…...already prestained and shaped….....is that acceptable for the contest? Most people would have thrown it out.

I could put it in the garbage can on Thursday, you know the collection day, and rescue it before they get it.

You two know a lot more about this stuff than I. I could ask Martin, but let’s face it, it’s a moral issue….......

I await your verdict…......

Alaska Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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dbhost

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#6 posted 04-07-2010 05:45 AM

I honestly think it’s my family history / heritage that did this to me…. I come from a long line of artists, woodworkers, and other notorious cheapskates….

I actually have one piece of flooring laminate that was a sample LOML just HAD to have. I need to figure out how to integrate it into a gift project for her….

On your flooring piece, or really any scrap piece, you might want to ask yourself. “Am I EVER going to actually put this to use?”. If the answer is yes, hang on to it… If no, ask yourself… “Can somebody else get use from it?”. If yes, give it to them (or sell it), if no, dispose of the best way possible. If it is a wood product that is safe to do so, and you have wood heat, well hang on to it fur the fireplace season…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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David Craig

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#7 posted 04-07-2010 06:18 AM

Jim, my friend, I will take what you stated as quite the compliment. Though I do not believe that I would win the gold medal in dumpster diving. For starters I never complete the dive. Somehow, I developed this littI le rule that I only go for things if only half my body needs to be submerged in the refuse. I haven’t yet developed the courage to go in all the way. Maybe I would if I saw a piece of black walnut or cherry…but I do have my wife’s reputation to think about (Lord knows mine is already shot…;)

As far as your moral and philosophical dilemma goes, I would say your piece of flooring would quality by all accounts to the rules of the contest. It is being recycled into something new and different. The piece was designed to be used a flooring and it is being re-used for a purpose in which it was not originally designed. So, unless you are making a portable anti fatigue foot mat with it, you should be safe.

So recycle and enter without fear :)

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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Jim Bertelson

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#8 posted 04-07-2010 07:01 AM

David Craig
OK, you bit the bullet, had to qualify your diving style….....but otherwise you were pretty manly. Had to bring the wife in for moral support, but otherwise, pretty straight forward. Your choice of woods that would corrupt your soul was …....... evocative….

dbHost David
I think your answer was the same, but you put the moral dilemma back on me. Probably knowing I needed toughing up, since I wasn’t seasoned by dumpster diving…....seasoned?.......well you know. You are saying, if I would hang on to it for the fireplace season, yup that is where it would be heading, not enough to give away, nothing I would ever use…......then it qualifies for the used wood category for Martin’s challenge….......right?

Well so far it looks like a go. dbHost David…......since your answer was a little bit too subtle for my sleepy mind…...confirm that I interpreted right. I bet you are just trying to drag out this discussion….were those artists really …......con-artists?.........you probably want to confess some more.

So count up the votes guys, can I use the old flooring never used, but destined for the fireplace….........???

Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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scrappy

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#9 posted 04-07-2010 07:51 AM

Jim, I say go for it. Scrap is scrap. It is not going to be used for what it was designed. It is currently scrap from the flooring job/removal, so it is scrap.

I get a lot of my wood from pallets and from the cut-off bin at woodworkers source. The cut-of bin stuff is all new wood, but cut offs from other boards. All less then 1/2 a board foot. They should qualify.

I have a couple of new pieces for turning, and a couple of pieces of cherry I got when Rockler had it on sale. Otherwise EVERYTHING in my shop is scrap from something else. Even the several board feet of Maple from a dresser that was falling apart. All in all I have probably 20 to 25 board foot of wood in my shop. All of it scrap of one kind or another.

Am going to have to see what I can get made for this contest. Good luck to all that enter.

Scrappy

P.S. I have spent WAYYYYY to much time in dumpsters myself. haha

-- Scrap Wood's the best...the projects are smaller, and so is the mess!

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Kindlingmaker

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#10 posted 04-07-2010 02:25 PM

New wood? What’s new wood? Dumpster diving, when you first jump in, bring an extra cup of coffee with you for I am already in there!

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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dbhost

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#11 posted 04-07-2010 03:31 PM

Gotta get the pickup out this evening. A neighbor has tossed what looks like a king size waterbed frame, and I want pretty much everything but the base, and the busted mirror… Looks like some of it is QSWO to boot! I love those big, long, thick planks that come off of those things! Very often 6/4 or thicker!

I am constantly scrounging Craigslist, watching trash piles etc for what I would consider usable wood scrap, particularly unwanted furniture pieces. Waterbeds are my favorite because they tend to have LARGE thick pieces of hardwood. Some use pine, which is okay too…

And one of the reasons I have a band saw with a riser block is to resaw found wood into useful lumber. I almost wonder if that counts for the contest. With hurricanes, tropical storms, and just general maintenance cutting going on here there is a good supply of smallish logs I can take to the band saw and have some good lumber from…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Jim Bertelson

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#12 posted 04-07-2010 05:08 PM

Ok that settles it. I will use the flooring stuff if I need to. I still don’t know if I will have time. We’ll see. Actually I am learning how to start looking for reusable wood from this thread. If nothing else, Martin’s challenge is to some extent accomplishing what I suspect was part of it’s purpose. I think I might buy some prefab mobile bases to put on tools. Then I will have room for a real band saw, and eventually a first class jointer and planer, although what I have will probably work for a while. Oh well, lot of work to do in the shop.

Thanks for all the help guys, and thanks dbHost for the thread.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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Jim

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#13 posted 04-07-2010 10:41 PM

It’s funny that this challenge just came up. I had to run some stuff over to my grandma’s place late last night, and as usual I got caught up talking to her longer than I had planned (it was past my bedtime… no joke.)
Anyways, she got to talking about my hobby (knowing it was my grandpa, her husband that influenced that interest) and said she got to thinking the other day that she wishes she had pictures of some of the first furniture he built. They were dirt poor living in the Phillipines and she said the wood HAD to have come from the dump because there was no way they could have afforded new stuff. Anyways, he made a coffee table, a desk for my mom, and I believe a chair, with nothing but a kitchen knife and a hacksaw. I was shocked. The man I grew being taught by who had every gadget you could think of, made furniture (and it was pretty good quality she said) with only a kitchen knife and a hacksaw. It’s stories of times like that, that really make me step back and wonder about all these high tech tools we all drool over… then I snap out of it and wonder where I’d be without my table saw and router table!

Anyways, all joking aside, it made me appreciate my grandfather all the more for not letting what he had on hand limit how he could take care of his family. So I’m going to brainstorm on this challenge and hopefully come up with an idea, and while building it I will think of my grandfather with a kitchen knife in hand trying to fit together reclaimed wood into some semblance of fine furniture and appreciate a little bit more how fortunate we are.

-- -- Jim - Kokomo, Indiana

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Jim Bertelson

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#14 posted 04-08-2010 01:21 AM

Jim
My grandfather survived during the depression buying old homes and remodeling them while he lived in them. And then selling it and buying another old one. With only hand tools, with I still have a few of. Things were different back then…......

Alaska Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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David Craig

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#15 posted 04-08-2010 12:36 PM

Necessity is a wonderful motivator. If we all suffered a massive power outage and our techie tools were no longer possible to use, I believe most of us would get fidgety after awhile and pick up whatever utensils we could and start working away. We just would not be able to let it go. Likewise, our grandfathers would have been more than happy to use the tools we have today, they just were out of reach back then.

Thanks for sharing some legacies,

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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