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Blog entry by dbhost posted 05-09-2017 05:37 PM 2052 reads 0 times favorited 9 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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We are contemplating a motif for our kitchen, and pondering materials…

Our kitchen has a breakfast bar into the dining room, and one request I have from my wife is that we have a live edge on the dining room side of the breakfast bar. So obviously we are leaning toward a wood counter top surface.

The concerns should be obvious. Moisture.

So now the brain gears get going to work..

Granite in early / mid 2017 is averaging $60.00 sq/ft in the Houston metro area. Plus installation. The counter top is 25” deep, and I have 16 linear feet so let’s do some math.

Let’s just round down to make the math easier for my public math education here.

2’ x 16’ = 32 sq / ft x 60.00 = $1920.00 + ~ $400.00 guesstimate for installation and the extra inch, which leaves us at $2320.00 + Tax for kitchen counters.

I have already mentioned that my wife wants a live edge breakfast bar top right?

Now let’s look at the other option. Home Depot, has 96” x 25” Birch butcher block counter tops for $299.00. I would need 2 of them, and can do the install myself for a grand total of $599.98 + tax.

Now the question would really be…

How do I finish a butcher block counter top that will cover a built in dish washer, and have a sink through it to protect it from any potential leakages?

I am not dedicated to birch by the way. I would actually prefer, much prefer Pecan as it is native, readily available inexpensively, and I can easily match that to a live edged top for the bar.

So many choices…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com, YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoa-AgyeFWqnQfGIJwdzkog



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Rich

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#1 posted 05-09-2017 06:57 PM

I just wrote about this in another post. I built a vanity for the guest bath and used wenge for the countertop. After much looking around, I decided on the Waterlox products. I wiped on 3 coats of their sealer/finish and topped that with three wiped-on coats of their satin urethane. It’s very nice and durable, and water just beads up on it. In fact, I freaked out when the tiler was stacking tiles on it just last week, but nary a scratch.

Obviously, you’ll want to practice finishing on some of the scrap you’ll have left over after installation.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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Jim Bertelson

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#2 posted 05-10-2017 03:42 PM

Rich sounds like he has a good method preservation. Make sure the edges of the sink are caulked well. I am guessing that over the counter rather than under the counter mounting would be better. We have under the counter mounting of sinks in our granite counter top, and water is always sitting on the edge near the caulking. So over the counter with care used in sealing the joint between the sink and the butcher would be better…I think.

There is tons of commentary on wood vanity and counter top finishing in LJ’s, but Rich’s method sounds like a good solution. More coats required with wipe on, but the result should be more predictable than brushing.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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#3 posted 05-10-2017 04:47 PM

The sink is an over lip sink. I was wanting an under mount, but that would require a stone counter top and I just don’t want to do that…

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-All-in-One-Dual-Mount-Stainless-Steel-33-in-2-Hole-Double-Bowl-Kitchen-Sink-VT3322G2/205855340

We are radically upgrading the faucet though with the Delta Touch20 Dominic model.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Dominic-Single-Handle-Pull-Down-Sprayer-Kitchen-Faucet-with-Touch2O-Technology-Soap-Dispenser-in-SpotShield-Stainless-19940T-SPSD-DST/205502818

IF I were to go with a pre fab butcher block, I would go with something like this…

http://www.homedepot.com/p/98inx25inx1-5in-Wood-Butcher-Block-Countertop-in-Unfinished-Birch-BBCT1502598/300688697

However I really want to do something more native…

I am needing to get in touch with M&G Sawmill or maybe Clarks Lumber in Houston to see what it would cost to source up Pecan, including a suitable live edge slab for that breakfast bar top…

On the Waterlox… Does it change the color at all, if so any idea by how much?

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com, YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoa-AgyeFWqnQfGIJwdzkog

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#4 posted 05-10-2017 06:27 PM


On the Waterlox… Does it change the color at all, if so any idea by how much?

It was hard to tell on the wenge since it’s so dark, so I tool a piece of scrap cherry and did a wipe just now with the sealer/finish and it didn’t change the color, other than to deepen it like any oil would do. Here’s a photo:

The urethane is very clear, not milky white like water borne poly, but also not like an amber shellac.

Like Jim said, the archives here should be full of countertop information. My finish is just one that worked for me, and I’m very happy with the result.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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Rich

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#5 posted 05-10-2017 08:56 PM

Not to beat a dead horse on this, but I should have waited to take the photo above, since the finish was still wet, and obviously the wood appeared darker due to it. Here’s one from a few minutes ago.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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#6 posted 05-11-2017 03:03 PM

Hardware all looks good. I had good luck with Delta over the years. Hope you find some good wood for a block. But be sure and take a good look at the HD one before spending a bunch of money and time on something else. There should be good information about butcher block construction here in LJ’s as well.

Assembling my table slowly, just making sure everything is positioned correctly.

Have a good day…

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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#7 posted 05-11-2017 03:16 PM

Agreed. My main concern / issue is going to be, my wife wants that live edge top for the breakfast bar, and I have to figure out how to make that work, and match or at least come close as possible to any counter tops I go with. I know a slab and butcher block are going to be somewhat different, but I want to at least be close enough color wise that my lovely bride won’t drive me nuts about the differences…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com, YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoa-AgyeFWqnQfGIJwdzkog

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#8 posted 05-11-2017 03:26 PM

My wife has the ability to immediately identify the odd item or blemish on either the printed page, a wood floor, or most anything else. Color differences also bother her. In the condo we just bought, the contractor who repaired a bunch of things and painted the whole house said he should hire her to find all the defects and issues before making a bid. It is such a problem for my wife, that she calls it a handicap. When you immediately identify every defect in your surroundings, nothing ever feels right, because nothing is perfect.

So I understand your concern… (-:

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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#9 posted 05-11-2017 03:48 PM

Due to that issue, if it were up to me, I would go 100% Butcher Block and call it good… However we have the conflicting requirements of she wants the live edge, but doesn’t want variation between that slab and the butcher block… I don’t want to be 1K into the project and have her change her mind…

I bet I am far from alone on this, but my wife’s indecision on what looks good where is why I am I am so slow getting any projects done…

The kitchen has needed paint for the last 4 years, I have bought no less than 8 gallons of paint to start painting it, I get about 2 strokes in when she says, nope, that doesn’t look right…

I finally talked her into trying out the color sample paints and going with that until she can make up her mind…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com, YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoa-AgyeFWqnQfGIJwdzkog

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