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Blog entry by David Craig posted 04-19-2010 08:36 PM 1315 reads 0 times favorited 21 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I have been looking into dust collection units for the shop. I have been using fairly small shop vacs to try and contain some of the sawdust but, obviously, they are not going to work very well for items like the jointer planer I have. I was trying to work out the obstacles to picking up the HF 2HP dust collector, but I was going to have to find a dedicated circuit I could hook the thing up to. 20 amps is quite the draw and there were also the space considerations.

Last week, my father in law mentioned that he had a 1hp collector he was wanting to get rid of (he purchased the HF model I was considering :). He told me he would sell it to me for 25 bucks. The price quoted seemed awfully cheap to me so I didn’t expect much when he went to show me the unit. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was a cart mounted Craftsman 1hp dual bag collector in fantastic shape. I let him know that he could get a hundred bucks easy in a rummage sale, but he insisted that the price for me was still 25 bucks. Needless to say, money exchanged hands and now it sits in my basement. Only thing left I need to find is a reducer for the 4 inch hose.

Dust Collector

I think this puts me on the “You Suck” list for today :)

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.



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HokieMojo

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#1 posted 04-19-2010 08:40 PM

I think you’ll enjoy having this. it keeps a shop much cleaner. I’d look into upgrade bags though. most stock bags are not “fine” enough.

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Chase

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#2 posted 04-19-2010 09:03 PM

Nice, getting a DC has definitely change how my shop looks. Congrats!

-- Every neighborhood has an eccentric neighbor. I wondered for years "who was ours?" Then I realized it was me.

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Dusty56

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#3 posted 04-19-2010 09:15 PM

The money you saved on the machine will help you to afford better quality bags : ) (finer filtration )
Good score and a great F-I-L !!

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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SteveMI

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#4 posted 04-19-2010 09:15 PM

David,

I couldn’t see the diploma from the JockMike School of Wood Turning over the lathe in that picture???

Using my HF 2hp required a study of the house electrical and then a startup sequence in order to work. Had to figure out everything on the garage circuits, chose the least crowded and then make sure it starts solo on the line. Once started, I can use the table saw or planer on the same line. Being a one person shop that isn’t a problem.

Steve.

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Dusty56

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#5 posted 04-19-2010 09:17 PM

I wonder if that 2hp HF can be wired for 220v ?

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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Kerry Drake

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#6 posted 04-19-2010 09:19 PM

Man, you suck.

-- Kerry Drake, Loudon NH, http://thenickedfinger.wordpress.com/

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David Craig

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#7 posted 04-19-2010 09:43 PM

Thanks for the comments all.

SteveMI – I keep the diploma in the living room in a jeweled walnut frame with track lighting around the display. I mean really, did you honestly expect to see that in the basement? ;)

Thanks for the comments on your wiring arrangement. One of the previous owners of this house had an interesting DIY concept of electrical systems. One of my outlets, I discovered, was actually hooked up to an extension cord that ran through the walls and was plugged into a slightly hidden outlet down the basement. I did find a dedicated circuit for the dishwasher and tapped into that for my basement. I usually just wash by hand and only use the dishwasher for family events, so am safe there. I know the largest draw is the startup but if I go with with the 2HP in the future, would prefer a dedicated line. I will have to open the breaker box one of these days and trace some wires.

Dusty56 and HokieMojo – I checked the specs and the HF collector is only wired for 120. Kind of a bummer because I do have a 220 I can tap into and setup down the basement. I hear you both on the bags, cost savings will help me do some upgrades on it.

Kerry Drake – I don’t mind sucking, I just hope the dust collector sucks more :)

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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David Craig

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#8 posted 04-19-2010 09:44 PM

Thanks Christopher, will be much better than my previous setup, that is for sure.

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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Dusty56

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#9 posted 04-19-2010 10:05 PM

thanks for the info on the voltage ….that 20amp draw really sucks on the HF model !

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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Jim Bertelson

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#10 posted 04-19-2010 10:26 PM

David
I too noticed the lathe in the background, and immediately thought about the JockMike school of wood turning. A lathe I will make as a Christmas or birthday present and give my wife a link to the chosen machine. But I think it is a couple of years away.

One of these weekends I am going to make a Thien Separator, but it is not high on my list. You might do that early on, and use the the inlet to the Thien as a way to downstep your hose size without getting into reducers. Check dbHost’s blogs or PM him. Alternatively, what I did is run 4 inch everywhere, with blast gates, and then downstep it to the tools where that is appropriate. However, that is a little more expensive. At the drill press, for instance, I made a plywood box with a 4 inch inlet and two 2 inch (or whatever it was) outlets. So I have above and below the table suction (translates to ‘sucks big time’).

If you get a 1.5 hp DC you need a dedicated circuit at 120V. A true 2hp will probably only run on 240V, or as SteveMI noted, with care and difficulty on a 120V. A dedicated circuit can be easily switched to 240 V by changing the breaker at the box and by changing the receptacles, if you are running 12 gauge wire in your house. My Delta 50-760, rated at 1.5hp, turns out be a brute. It draws more than my TS which has 1.5 hp, and probably is a more powerful motor. It fits in with the rest of house much better running on 240V. Bought the DC in all innocence before I was an LJ from a local store at a good price. Just lucked out, it was what I needed. No skill, just blind luck.

Your story of the extension cord in the house wiring made me laugh. For a few years we had my mother-in-law in a cheap house here in town, and the electrical was doing strange things. Went up the the attic and found 18 gauge zip cord used in some of the circuits. Talk about a fire waiting to happen. Brought an electrician in and did it right. Whew…lucked out again. We subsequently sold the house and put her in a new house out in the country built better. If you haven’t already, probably ought to get an inspection of the electrical.

Later…......

Jim

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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woodpeckerbill

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#11 posted 04-19-2010 10:37 PM

You ain’t gonna know how to act! Won’t be long and you’ll be able to see your floor.When your daddy-n-law is nice to you, it makes you stop and think…..does he really like you or maybe he just wants to make sure you understand there is no return policy…dust collector,dauhter….. LOL!
Bill

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Jim Bertelson

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#12 posted 04-19-2010 10:46 PM

All
I got my DC because my wife said she knew you could get DC systems, and she didn’t want me tracking sawdust into the house anymore…......or her tracking it either, since you pass through the corner of my shop to get to the garage. So lucked out again. My wife forced me to get a complete DC system. Ah shucks.

No ‘suck’ comments on this entry….......somehow I think it would not come out right….......

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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richgreer

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#13 posted 04-19-2010 11:08 PM

What you have is a one-stage DC. As it is, it is okay for picking up sawdust and chips from the lathe or drill press. However, every once in a while you are going to pick up a small piece of wood (or a metal screw or nail) and you are going to cringe when you hear the object hitting the fan blades.

For just a few dollars (maybe $25) you can route the vacuum through a trash can with a special hood. This will catch all of the heavier pieces before they hit the blades. Then your life will be cringe free.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Ger21

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#14 posted 04-19-2010 11:11 PM

I’ve had the same Craftsman dust collector for about 15 years now. I got a deal on it, but they used to be about $300. I’ve never had a need to replace the bags, as they don’t seam to let any dust through. You really don’t want to reduce it smaller than 4”, as it won’t be very efficient. Also, try to keep the bottom bag from getting more than half full. As the bag fills up, the filter area decreases and performance drops rapidly.

I was going to sell mine when I picked up a HF 2HP a few months ago, but decided to kep it and just use it on my CNC now.

The HF 2HP is waaay more powerful than the Craftsman, btw. But at $25, you got a great deal.

-- Gerry, http://home.comcast.net/~cncwoodworker/CNC_Woodworker.html

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Milo

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#15 posted 04-19-2010 11:24 PM

David, I strongly suggest you go here…

http://www.cgallery.com/jpthien/cy.htm

I did, and it changed my sucking life.

Hey, I don’t think that came out quite right….. ;-)

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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