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Blog entry by crank49 posted 1509 days ago 5612 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Been looking, reading, evaluating and rationalizing for months. I bet I have read every entry in every woodworking blog I could find that had anything to do with table saws. I have known all along what I wanted was a cabinet saw because the only table saw I ever had access to was a 5 HP, 3 phase, 12” Powermatic back in the 1980s. A high standard indeed. Likewise I have known what I could afford would probably be between a starter saw and a jobsite saw (or a lucky find for a used saw). I had gathered from a recent blog that Sears was having a sale on their version of the Ryobi BT3000 or BT21. Those get pretty good reviews so I went to my local Sears today at lunch to see what I could find out. I really wanted a saw that could handle at least a 1/2” dado stack and I wanted either a standard miter slot or a slide like the BT21. I knew I would really be thrilled to find something with a belt drive and induction motor, but that just doesn’t exist for under $500; right? I walked by, as I often do, the big cast iron table, contractor’s saw and admired its 57” fence rail and was trying to keep my envy in check and looked at the price tag and DANG; that sucker was on sale for $409.00. I pulled out the manual and yes, it can spin a full 13/16” dado with its belt drive, 1 3/4 HP induction motor, and 288 lbs of mass. Bingo! I got the receipt in my pocket and next week, as soon as I can get the time, I’m going back with my truck and bringing that sucker home. I’ll try to post pictures and a review after I have it set up and use it for a while.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H



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a1Jim

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#1 posted 1509 days ago

Congrats on you new toy enjoy.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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stevenmadden

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#2 posted 1509 days ago

Congratulations on the new table saw. I look forward to seeing the pictures and reading your review.

Steve

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handystanley

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#3 posted 1509 days ago

Hey…let me know if you want to test it out in my garage. LOL! Congrats!

-- "Projects beget projects and projects beget the need to buy new tools and that is what the cycle of life is all about." Stan Pearse, Novato, CA

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559dustdesigns

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#4 posted 1509 days ago

What kind of wood is going to by chopped and dado cut first?

Good to hear you found a saw and studied the saws available.

-- Aaron - central California "If you haven't got the time to do it right, when will you find the time to do it over?"

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dmoney

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#5 posted 1509 days ago

looks like 21833—a heckuva nice saw for $409

-- Derek, Iowa

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crank49

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#6 posted 1508 days ago

Yes, that’s it, the 21833. I know its not a Sawstop or Delta Unisaw or even a Grizzly, but it’s iron, belt driven and got nice specs. I am chomping at the bit to get it home and rip some 2 X somethings into 2 X smaller somethings. And besides, for what one of the big dawgs cost I can get this saw and a 6” jointer and a 12 1/2” planer; with monely left to buy some rough lumber to play with. My ultimate goal, other than building a basement shop, is a major re-model of the kitchen/dining area, where I hope to build at least some of the cabinets, in particular a big granite topped island. My first projects will be to make stuff for the shop; a workbench, wall cabinets, counters and shelves, and an assembly table. I hope I can develope my skils on the shop cabinets before I go to the kitchen. I think this is going to be about a 2 yr project.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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woody57

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#7 posted 1508 days ago

congrats
sounds like a good deal

-- Emmett, from Georgia

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GregD

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#8 posted 1508 days ago

OK, I’ll play “bad cop”.

A couple of people on LJ have had some serious alignment issues with this model:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1464
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1225

The most worrisome comment that I saw was that the alignment changed with blade height and angle. It is going to get very frustrating trying to work-around those issues should you ever want to get some clean, precise cuts out of that saw. There is no reason to pass on a good price for a contractor saw simply because its out-of-the-box it needs an alignment, but this model seems to have more serious issues.

If I were in your shoes I’d pass on this one and keep looking. But if you do bring one home I hope you’ll check it out while you can still return it.

-- Greg D.

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hoppeman

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#9 posted 1508 days ago

congrats on new table saw. I have the exact same model. if you need any advice to put together let me know. when done right it is a great addition to your arsenal. enjoy my friend..

the hoppe woodworker

save the off cuts

-- Steve,NJ

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crank49

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#10 posted 1506 days ago

Greg, I have seen those reviews as well. I am not sure if the problem was the saw or the assembly/tuning. I am sure I will have to carefully set this machine up. I might even have to modify or redesign some of it if it’s got an inherent design flaw. Been there, done that too. With 40 years experience as foundry engineer I have just about seen it all; and with much larger, more complicated machines than this. But thanks for the “heads up”.

In fact, thanks everyone for your comments and thoughts. I know going in that this is probably one of the lowest dollar new saws around with an iron table and belt drive induction motor, so I am not expecting perfection; I just think its got enough basic stuff right that I can build from there. Besides, from an engineer’s point of view, a problem is just another opportunity to get creative.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Rick

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#11 posted 1500 days ago

Crank: “a problem is just another opportunity to get creative.”

I will Applaud that Phrase My Man. That’s what makes things HAPPEN in this World!!

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Hey! Wait! You stole my Old Signature Line!! ...LOL…. Or do you just like Albert E. as much as I do???

Watch your Fingers Buddy!

Rick

-- COMMON SENSE Is Like Deodorant. The People Who need It Most, Never Use It.

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TheWoodsmith

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#12 posted 1500 days ago

Good Deal man! I really should have came out swinging a little more on my TS. I wasn’t exactly looking for a woodworking saw when i bought it, just a saw i could rip 2 by’s on but it, with major upgrades, is doin fine! I cant wait to see your review! Hope that it brings you years of reliable service.

-- I know its around here somewhere...

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sedcokid

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#13 posted 1500 days ago

I am sure that you will enjoy your new saw!! Congrats… ;)

-- Chuck Emery, Michigan,

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